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From: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm+eric@ccr.net>
Cc: Rik van Riel <H.H.vanRiel@phys.uu.nl>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: Linux-2.1.129..
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:48:57 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <199811241548.PAA01047@dax.scot.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m13e79eha7.fsf@flinx.ccr.net>

Hi,

On 24 Nov 1998 00:28:16 -0600, ebiederm+eric@ccr.net (Eric
W. Biederman) said:

> Imagine a machine with 1 Gigabyte of RAM and 8 Gigabyte of swap,
> in heavy use.  Swapping but not thrashing.

> You can't swap out several hundred megabytes all at once.  

Sure you can!  It's a tradeoff between moment-to-moment predictability
and overall throughput.  Swapping loads at once gives unpredictable
short-term behaviour but great throughput.  Performance is nearly
always about trading of throughput for things like predictability or
fairness.

> You can handle a suddne flurry of network traffic much better this way
> for example.

As long as you have got enough clean pages around, you can deal with
this anyway: kswapd can find free memory very rapidly as long as it
doesn't have to spend time writing things to swap.

> As far as fixed percentages.  It's a loose every time, and I won't
> drop a working feature for an older lesser design.  Having tuneable
> fixed percentages is only a win on a 1 application, 1 load pattern
> box.

<Nods head vigorously.>  Try running with a big ramdisk on a 2.1.125
box, for example: the precomputed page cache limits no longer work and
performance falls apart.

--Stephen
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  parent reply	other threads:[~1998-11-24 15:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.3.95.981119002335.838A-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
1998-11-19 21:34 ` Linux-2.1.129 Dr. Werner Fink
1998-11-19 21:58   ` Linux-2.1.129 Rik van Riel
1998-11-20 12:09     ` Linux-2.1.129 Dr. Werner Fink
1998-11-19 22:33   ` Linux-2.1.129 Linus Torvalds
1998-11-23 17:13     ` Linux-2.1.129 Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-23 19:16       ` Linux-2.1.129 Eric W. Biederman
1998-11-23 20:02         ` Linux-2.1.129 Linus Torvalds
1998-11-23 21:25           ` Linux-2.1.129 Rik van Riel
1998-11-23 22:19           ` Linux-2.1.129 Dr. Werner Fink
1998-11-24  3:37           ` Linux-2.1.129 Eric W. Biederman
1998-11-24 15:25           ` Linux-2.1.129 Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-24 17:33             ` Linux-2.1.129 Linus Torvalds
1998-11-24 19:59               ` Linux-2.1.129 Rik van Riel
1998-11-24 20:45                 ` Linux-2.1.129 Linus Torvalds
1998-11-25 14:19               ` Linux-2.1.129 Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-25 21:07                 ` Linux-2.1.129 Eric W. Biederman
1998-11-26 12:57                   ` Linux-2.1.129 Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-25 20:33             ` Linux-2.1.129 Zlatko Calusic
1998-11-23 19:46       ` Linux-2.1.129 Eric W. Biederman
1998-11-23 21:18         ` Linux-2.1.129 Rik van Riel
1998-11-24  6:28           ` Linux-2.1.129 Eric W. Biederman
1998-11-24  7:56             ` Linux-2.1.129 Rik van Riel
1998-11-24 15:48             ` Stephen C. Tweedie [this message]
1998-11-24 15:38         ` Linux-2.1.129 Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-23 20:12       ` Linux-2.1.129 Rik van Riel
1998-11-23 20:53       ` Running 2.1.129 at extrem load [patch] (Was: Linux-2.1.129..) Dr. Werner Fink
1998-11-23 21:59         ` Rik van Riel
1998-11-23 22:35           ` Dr. Werner Fink
1998-11-24 12:38             ` Dr. Werner Fink

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