From: "Dr. Werner Fink" <werner@suse.de>
To: Rik van Riel <H.H.vanRiel@phys.uu.nl>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: Linux-2.1.129..
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:09:48 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <19981120130948.20965@boole.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981119225103.18633A-100000@mirkwood.dummy.home>; from Rik van Riel on Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 10:58:30PM +0100
On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 10:58:30PM +0100, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
>
> > Yes on a 512MB system it's a great win ... on a 64 system I see
> > something like a ``swapping weasel'' under high load.
> >
> > It seems that page ageing or something *similar* would be nice
> > for a factor 512/64 >= 2 ... under high load and not enough
> > memory it's maybe better if we could get the processes in turn
> > into work instead of useless swapping (this was a side effect
> > of page ageing due to the implicit slow down).
>
> It was certainly a huge win when page aging was implemented,
> but we mainly felt that because there used to be an obscure
> bug in vmscan.c, causing the kernel to always start scanning
> at the start of the process' address space.
>
> Now that bug is fixed, it might just be better to switch
> to a multi-queue system. A full implementation of that
> will have to wait until 2.3, but we can easily do an
> el-cheapo simulation of it by simply not freeing swap
> cached pages on the first pass of shrink_mmap().
Hmmm ... we need something real for 2.2 ... so,
let's analyse the problem
If the average time slice of the processes is eaten up by
swapping page back *and* if these pages are spapped out
during to the next time slice the system becomes unusable
(freeing swap cached pages on the first pass of shrink_mmap()
does force this behaviour at high stress).
Therefore we need something like a page ageing which does not
mean that the old scheme is required.
Pages which are swapped in need a higher life time in
physical memory. If a page can be shared this life
time could be a bigger one.
If a process counts such pages up to a limit his pages
should not get a higher life for the next few cycles.
This simple scheme should be implementable in a easy way,
shouldn't it? The appropiate places are
ipc/shm.c::shm_swap_in()
mm/page_alloc.c::swap_in()
and the old place of the old age_page():
mm/vmscan.c::try_to_swap_out()
together with some unused variables out of
include/linux/sched.h::task_struct (e.g. dec_flt)
include/linux/sched.h::struct page (e.g. unused :-)
nothing more is needed due to the better swap cache of
2.1.129 in comparision to 2.0.36.
Werner
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[not found] <Pine.LNX.3.95.981119002335.838A-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
1998-11-19 21:34 ` Linux-2.1.129 Dr. Werner Fink
1998-11-19 21:58 ` Linux-2.1.129 Rik van Riel
1998-11-20 12:09 ` Dr. Werner Fink [this message]
1998-11-19 22:33 ` Linux-2.1.129 Linus Torvalds
1998-11-23 17:13 ` Linux-2.1.129 Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-23 19:16 ` Linux-2.1.129 Eric W. Biederman
1998-11-23 20:02 ` Linux-2.1.129 Linus Torvalds
1998-11-23 21:25 ` Linux-2.1.129 Rik van Riel
1998-11-23 22:19 ` Linux-2.1.129 Dr. Werner Fink
1998-11-24 3:37 ` Linux-2.1.129 Eric W. Biederman
1998-11-24 15:25 ` Linux-2.1.129 Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-24 17:33 ` Linux-2.1.129 Linus Torvalds
1998-11-24 19:59 ` Linux-2.1.129 Rik van Riel
1998-11-24 20:45 ` Linux-2.1.129 Linus Torvalds
1998-11-25 14:19 ` Linux-2.1.129 Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-25 21:07 ` Linux-2.1.129 Eric W. Biederman
1998-11-26 12:57 ` Linux-2.1.129 Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-25 20:33 ` Linux-2.1.129 Zlatko Calusic
1998-11-23 19:46 ` Linux-2.1.129 Eric W. Biederman
1998-11-23 21:18 ` Linux-2.1.129 Rik van Riel
1998-11-24 6:28 ` Linux-2.1.129 Eric W. Biederman
1998-11-24 7:56 ` Linux-2.1.129 Rik van Riel
1998-11-24 15:48 ` Linux-2.1.129 Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-24 15:38 ` Linux-2.1.129 Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-11-23 20:12 ` Linux-2.1.129 Rik van Riel
1998-11-23 20:53 ` Running 2.1.129 at extrem load [patch] (Was: Linux-2.1.129..) Dr. Werner Fink
1998-11-23 21:59 ` Rik van Riel
1998-11-23 22:35 ` Dr. Werner Fink
1998-11-24 12:38 ` Dr. Werner Fink
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