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From: Robert Beckett <bob.beckett@collabora.com>
To: "Keith Busch" <kbusch@kernel.org>
Cc: "linux-nvme" <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>,
	"Jens Axboe" <axboe@fb.com>, "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Sagi Grimberg" <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-mm" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: possible regression fs corruption on 64GB nvme
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 17:57:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <191e204ed94.126febf821607337.6118223401232629522@collabora.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <191e203fd17.118394e2d1606957.7379866259983341167@collabora.com>






 ---- On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 17:56:37 +0100  Robert Beckett  wrote --- 
 >  ---- On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 18:53:23 +0100  Keith Busch  wrote --- 
 >  > On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 06:27:55PM +0100, Robert Beckett wrote:
 >  > > nvme.io_queue_depth=2 appears to fix it. Could you explain the implications of this?
 >  > > I assume it is limiting to 2 outstanding requests concurrently.
 >  > 
 >  > You'd think so, but not quite. NVMe queues need to leave one entry
 >  > empty, so a submission queue with depth "2" means you can have at most 1
 >  > command outstanding.
 >  > 
 >  > > Does it suggest an issue with the specific device's FW?
 >  > 
 >  > I think that sounds probable. Especially considering the dmapool code
 >  > has had considerable run time in real life, and no other such issue has
 >  > been reported.
 >  > 
 >  > > I assume this would suggest that it is not actually anything wrong with the dmapool, it was just exposing the issue of the device/fw?
 >  > 
 >  > That's what I'm thinking, though, if you have a single queue with depth
 >  > 2, we're not stressing the dmapool implementation either. It's always
 >  > going to return the same dma block for each command.
 >  > 
 >  > > Any advice for handling this and/or investigating further?
 >  > 
 >  > If you have the resources for it, get protocol analyzer trace and show
 >  > it to your nvme vendor.
 > 
 > Unfortunately this is infeasible for us.
 > 
 >  >  
 >  > > My initial speculation was that maybe the disk fw is signalling completion of an access before it has actually finished making it's way to ram. I checked the code and saw that the dmapool appears to be used for storing the buffer page addresses, so I imagine that is not updated by the disk at all, which would rule out my assumption.
 >  > 
 >  > Right, it's used to make the prp/sgl list. Once we get a completion,
 >  > that dma block becomes immediately available for the very next command.
 >  > If you have a higher queue depth, it's possible that dma block is reused
 >  > immediately while the driver is still notifying the block layer of the
 >  > completion.
 >  > 
 >  > If we're thinking that the device is completing the command before it's
 >  > really done with the list (which could explain your observation), that
 >  > would be a problem. Going to single queue-depth might introduce a delay
 >  > or work around some firmware issue when dealing with concurrent
 >  > commands.
 >  > 
 >  > Prior to the "new" dmapool allocation, it was much less likely (though I
 >  > think still possible) for your next command to reuse the same dma block
 >  > of the command currently being completed.
 >  > 
 > 
 > given this ~9 year old temporary fix is still in the kernel for the Apple device, could we just add another device specific override? I could maybe convert it to a quirk that is set for them both (and any future devices)
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/nvme/host/pci.c?h=v6.11-rc7#n2570
 > 


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-11 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-09 18:34 Robert Beckett
2024-09-09 19:29 ` Keith Busch
2024-09-09 20:29 ` Keith Busch
2024-09-09 20:31   ` Keith Busch
2024-09-10  9:30     ` Robert Beckett
2024-09-10 17:27       ` Robert Beckett
2024-09-10 17:53         ` Keith Busch
2024-09-11 16:56           ` Robert Beckett
2024-09-11 16:57             ` Robert Beckett [this message]
2024-09-11 17:08             ` Keith Busch
2024-09-11 17:17               ` Robert Beckett
2024-09-10  4:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-10  9:37   ` Robert Beckett

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