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From: Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>
To: Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>
Cc: "Andrea Arcangeli" <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:MEMORY MANAGEMENT" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Ross Zwisler" <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Bernhard Held" <berny156@gmx.de>,
	"Adam Borowski" <kilobyte@angband.pl>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	"Wanpeng Li" <kernellwp@gmail.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Takashi Iwai" <tiwai@suse.de>, "Mike Galbraith" <efault@gmx.de>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/13] mm/rmap: update to new mmu_notifier semantic
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:40:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <180A2625-E3AB-44BF-A3B7-E687299B9DA9@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170830182013.GD2386@redhat.com>

Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 07:27:47PM +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 07:46:07PM -0700, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>> Therefore, IIUC, try_to_umap_one() should only call
>>> mmu_notifier_invalidate_range() after ptep_get_and_clear() and
>> 
>> That would trigger an unnecessarily double call to
>> ->invalidate_range() both from mmu_notifier_invalidate_range() after
>> ptep_get_and_clear() and later at the end in
>> mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_end().
>> 
>> The only advantage of adding a mmu_notifier_invalidate_range() after
>> ptep_get_and_clear() is to flush the secondary MMU TLBs (keep in mind
>> the pagetables have to be shared with the primary MMU in order to use
>> the ->invalidate_range()) inside the PT lock.
>> 
>> So if mmu_notifier_invalidate_range() after ptep_get_and_clear() is
>> needed or not, again boils down to the issue if the old code calling
>> ->invalidate_page outside the PT lock was always broken before or
>> not. I don't see why exactly it was broken, we even hold the page lock
>> there so I don't see a migration race possible either. Of course the
>> constraint to be safe is that the put_page in try_to_unmap_one cannot
>> be the last one, and that had to be enforced by the caller taking an
>> additional reference on it.
>> 
>> One can wonder if the primary MMU TLB flush in ptep_clear_flush
>> (should_defer_flush returning false) could be put after releasing the
>> PT lock too (because that's not different from deferring the secondary
>> MMU notifier TLB flush in ->invalidate_range down to
>> mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_end) even if TTU_BATCH_FLUSH isn't set,
>> which may be safe too for the same reasons.
>> 
>> When should_defer_flush returns true we already defer the primary MMU
>> TLB flush to much later to even mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_end, not
>> just after the PT lock release so at least when should_defer_flush is
>> true, it looks obviously safe to defer the secondary MMU TLB flush to
>> mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_end for the drivers implementing
>> ->invalidate_range.
>> 
>> If I'm wrong and all TLB flushes must happen inside the PT lock, then
>> we should at least reconsider the implicit call to ->invalidate_range
>> method from mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_end or we would call it
>> twice unnecessarily which doesn't look optimal. Either ways this
>> doesn't look optimal. We would need to introduce a
>> mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_end_full that calls also
>> ->invalidate_range in such case so we skip the ->invalidate_range call
>> in mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_end if we put an explicit
>> mmu_notifier_invalidate_range() after ptep_get_and_clear inside the PT
>> lock like you suggested above.
> 
> So i went over call to try_to_unmap() (try_to_munlock() is fine as it
> does not clear the CPU page table entry). I believe they are 2 cases
> where you can get a new pte entry after we release spinlock and before
> we call mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_end()
> 
> First case is :
> if (unlikely(PageSwapBacked(page) != PageSwapCache(page))) {
>  ...
>  break;
> }
> 
> The pte is clear, there was an error condition and this should never
> happen but a racing thread might install a new pte in the meantime.
> Maybe we should restore the pte value here. Anyway when this happens
> bad things are going on.
> 
> The second case is non dirty anonymous page and MADV_FREE. But here
> the application is telling us that no one should care about that
> virtual address any more. So i am not sure how much we should care.
> 
> 
> If we ignore this 2 cases than the CPU pte can never be replace by
> something else between the time we release the spinlock and the time
> we call mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_end() so not invalidating the
> devices tlb is ok here. Do we want this kind of optimization ?

The mmu_notifier users would have to be aware that invalidations may be
deferred. If they perform their ``invalidations’’ unconditionally, it may be
ok. If the notifier users avoid invalidations based on the PTE in the
secondary page-table, it can be a problem.

On another note, you may want to consider combining the secondary page-table
mechanisms with the existing TLB-flush mechanisms. Right now, it is
partially done: tlb_flush_mmu_tlbonly(), for example, calls
mmu_notifier_invalidate_range(). However, tlb_gather_mmu() does not call
mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_start().

This can also prevent all kind of inconsistencies, and potential bugs. For
instance, clear_refs_write() calls mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_start/end()
but in between there is no call for mmu_notifier_invalidate_range().

Regards,
Nadav

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-30 18:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-29 23:54 [PATCH 00/13] mmu_notifier kill invalidate_page callback Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 01/13] dax: update to new mmu_notifier semantic Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 02/13] mm/rmap: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-30  2:46   ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30  2:59     ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30  3:16       ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30  3:18         ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30 17:27     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 18:00       ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30 21:25         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 23:25           ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-31  0:47             ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-31 17:12               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-31 19:15                 ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30 18:20       ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30 18:40         ` Nadav Amit [this message]
2017-08-30 20:45           ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30 22:17             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 20:55           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 16:52   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 17:48     ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30 21:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-30 23:01       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-31 18:25         ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-31 19:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 03/13] powerpc/powernv: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 04/13] drm/amdgpu: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-30  6:18   ` Christian König
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 05/13] IB/umem: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-30  6:13   ` Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 06/13] IB/hfi1: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-09-06 14:08   ` Arumugam, Kamenee
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 07/13] iommu/amd: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 08/13] iommu/intel: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 09/13] misc/mic/scif: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 10/13] sgi-gru: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 11/13] xen/gntdev: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-30 19:32   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 12/13] KVM: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 13/13] mm/mmu_notifier: kill invalidate_page Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 00/13] mmu_notifier kill invalidate_page callback Linus Torvalds
2017-08-30  0:56   ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30  8:40     ` Mike Galbraith
2017-08-30 14:57     ` Adam Borowski
2017-09-01 14:47       ` Jeff Cook
2017-09-01 14:50         ` taskboxtester
2017-11-30  9:33 ` BSOD with " Fabian Grünbichler
2017-11-30 11:20   ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-30 16:19     ` Radim Krčmář
2017-11-30 18:05       ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: x86: fix APIC page invalidation Radim Krčmář
2017-11-30 18:05         ` [PATCH 2/2] TESTING! KVM: x86: add invalidate_range mmu notifier Radim Krčmář
2017-12-01 15:15           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-12-03 17:24             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-12-01 12:21         ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: x86: fix APIC page invalidation Fabian Grünbichler
2017-12-01 15:27         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-12-03 17:28         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-12-06  2:32         ` Wanpeng Li
2017-12-06  9:50           ` 王金浦
2017-12-06 10:00             ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-12-06  8:15         ` Fabian Grünbichler
2017-12-13 12:54         ` Richard Purdie

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