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From: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov	 <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Andrii Nakryiko	 <andrii@kernel.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes	 <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	Eduard	 <eddyz87@gmail.com>, Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	Yonghong Song	 <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	KP Singh	 <kpsingh@kernel.org>,
	Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>,
	Hao Luo	 <haoluo@google.com>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, Liam Howlett <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com, dev.jain@arm.com,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	usamaarif642@gmail.com, gutierrez.asier@huawei-partners.com,
	 Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Amery Hung <ameryhung@gmail.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	 Jonathan Corbet	 <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
	Shakeel Butt	 <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	lance.yang@linux.dev,  Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Chris Mason <clm@meta.com>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm	 <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 mm-new 06/10] mm: bpf-thp: add support for global mode
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2025 10:13:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <177c8e4d0567456baecc962bf5c1038f05358cc0.camel@surriel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQKziFmRiVjDpjtYcmxU74VjPg4Pqn2Ax=O2SsfjLLy5Zw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 2025-10-28 at 18:32 -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 3:03 AM Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > The per-process BPF-THP mode is unsuitable for managing shared
> > resources
> > such as shmem THP and file-backed THP. This aligns with known
> > cgroup
> > limitations for similar scenarios [0].
> > 
> > Introduce a global BPF-THP mode to address this gap. When
> > registered:
> > - All existing per-process instances are disabled
> > - New per-process registrations are blocked
> > - Existing per-process instances remain registered (no forced
> > unregistration)
> > 
> > The global mode takes precedence over per-process instances.
> > Updates are
> > type-isolated: global instances can only be updated by new global
> > instances, and per-process instances by new per-process instances.
> 
> ...
> 
> >         spin_lock(&thp_ops_lock);
> > -       /* Each process is exclusively managed by a single BPF-THP.
> > */
> > -       if (rcu_access_pointer(mm->bpf_mm.bpf_thp)) {
> > +       /* Each process is exclusively managed by a single BPF-THP.
> > +        * Global mode disables per-process instances.
> > +        */
> > +       if (rcu_access_pointer(mm->bpf_mm.bpf_thp) ||
> > rcu_access_pointer(bpf_thp_global)) {
> >                 err = -EBUSY;
> >                 goto out;
> >         }
> 
> You didn't address the issue and instead doubled down
> on this broken global approach.
> 
> This bait-and-switch patchset is frankly disingenuous.
> 'lets code up some per-mm hack, since people will hate it anyway,
> and I'm not going to use it either, and add this global mode
> as a fake "fallback"...'

Should things be the other way around, where
per-process BPF THP policy overrides global
policy?

I can definitely see a use for global policy,
but also a reason to override it for some
programs or containers.

-- 
All Rights Reversed.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-11-26 15:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-26 10:01 [PATCH v12 mm-new 00/10] mm, bpf: BPF-MM, BPF-THP Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 01/10] mm: thp: remove vm_flags parameter from khugepaged_enter_vma() Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 02/10] mm: thp: remove vm_flags parameter from thp_vma_allowable_order() Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 03/10] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 04/10] mm: thp: decouple THP allocation between swap and page fault paths Yafang Shao
2025-10-27  4:07   ` Barry Song
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 05/10] mm: thp: enable THP allocation exclusively through khugepaged Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 06/10] mm: bpf-thp: add support for global mode Yafang Shao
2025-10-29  1:32   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29  2:13     ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-30  0:57       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30  2:40         ` Yafang Shao
2025-11-27 11:48         ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-28  2:53           ` Yafang Shao
2025-11-28  7:57             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-28  8:18               ` Yafang Shao
2025-11-28  8:31                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-28 11:56                   ` Yafang Shao
2025-11-28 12:18                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-28 12:51                       ` Yafang Shao
2025-11-28  8:39             ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-28  8:55               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-30 13:06               ` Yafang Shao
2025-11-26 15:13     ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2025-11-27  2:35       ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 07/10] Documentation: add BPF THP Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 08/10] selftests/bpf: add a simple BPF based THP policy Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 09/10] selftests/bpf: add test case to update " Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 10/10] selftests/bpf: add test case for BPF-THP inheritance across fork Yafang Shao

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