From: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
Eduard <eddyz87@gmail.com>, Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
KP Singh <kpsingh@kernel.org>,
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Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
lance.yang@linux.dev, Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
Chris Mason <clm@meta.com>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 mm-new 06/10] mm: bpf-thp: add support for global mode
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2025 10:13:06 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <177c8e4d0567456baecc962bf5c1038f05358cc0.camel@surriel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQKziFmRiVjDpjtYcmxU74VjPg4Pqn2Ax=O2SsfjLLy5Zw@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 2025-10-28 at 18:32 -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 3:03 AM Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > The per-process BPF-THP mode is unsuitable for managing shared
> > resources
> > such as shmem THP and file-backed THP. This aligns with known
> > cgroup
> > limitations for similar scenarios [0].
> >
> > Introduce a global BPF-THP mode to address this gap. When
> > registered:
> > - All existing per-process instances are disabled
> > - New per-process registrations are blocked
> > - Existing per-process instances remain registered (no forced
> > unregistration)
> >
> > The global mode takes precedence over per-process instances.
> > Updates are
> > type-isolated: global instances can only be updated by new global
> > instances, and per-process instances by new per-process instances.
>
> ...
>
> > spin_lock(&thp_ops_lock);
> > - /* Each process is exclusively managed by a single BPF-THP.
> > */
> > - if (rcu_access_pointer(mm->bpf_mm.bpf_thp)) {
> > + /* Each process is exclusively managed by a single BPF-THP.
> > + * Global mode disables per-process instances.
> > + */
> > + if (rcu_access_pointer(mm->bpf_mm.bpf_thp) ||
> > rcu_access_pointer(bpf_thp_global)) {
> > err = -EBUSY;
> > goto out;
> > }
>
> You didn't address the issue and instead doubled down
> on this broken global approach.
>
> This bait-and-switch patchset is frankly disingenuous.
> 'lets code up some per-mm hack, since people will hate it anyway,
> and I'm not going to use it either, and add this global mode
> as a fake "fallback"...'
Should things be the other way around, where
per-process BPF THP policy overrides global
policy?
I can definitely see a use for global policy,
but also a reason to override it for some
programs or containers.
--
All Rights Reversed.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-26 15:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-26 10:01 [PATCH v12 mm-new 00/10] mm, bpf: BPF-MM, BPF-THP Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 01/10] mm: thp: remove vm_flags parameter from khugepaged_enter_vma() Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 02/10] mm: thp: remove vm_flags parameter from thp_vma_allowable_order() Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 03/10] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 04/10] mm: thp: decouple THP allocation between swap and page fault paths Yafang Shao
2025-10-27 4:07 ` Barry Song
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 05/10] mm: thp: enable THP allocation exclusively through khugepaged Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 06/10] mm: bpf-thp: add support for global mode Yafang Shao
2025-10-29 1:32 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 2:13 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-30 0:57 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 2:40 ` Yafang Shao
2025-11-27 11:48 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-28 2:53 ` Yafang Shao
2025-11-28 7:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-28 8:18 ` Yafang Shao
2025-11-28 8:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-28 11:56 ` Yafang Shao
2025-11-28 12:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-28 12:51 ` Yafang Shao
2025-11-28 8:39 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-28 8:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-30 13:06 ` Yafang Shao
2025-11-26 15:13 ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2025-11-27 2:35 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 07/10] Documentation: add BPF THP Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 08/10] selftests/bpf: add a simple BPF based THP policy Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 09/10] selftests/bpf: add test case to update " Yafang Shao
2025-10-26 10:01 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 10/10] selftests/bpf: add test case for BPF-THP inheritance across fork Yafang Shao
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