From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Anton Blanchard <anton@ozlabs.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/8] x86: use exit_lazy_tlb rather than membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 18:00:00 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1607152918.fkgmomgfw9.astroid@bobo.none> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrV8Z5JdsP-Qa8B6y01LmXnSruOEWVt9_Un1RX1+nZuhxw@mail.gmail.com>
Excerpts from Andy Lutomirski's message of December 3, 2020 3:09 pm:
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:50 PM Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Excerpts from Andy Lutomirski's message of November 29, 2020 3:55 am:
>> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 8:02 AM Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> And get rid of the generic sync_core_before_usermode facility. This is
>> >> functionally a no-op in the core scheduler code, but it also catches
>> >>
>> >> This helper is the wrong way around I think. The idea that membarrier
>> >> state requires a core sync before returning to user is the easy one
>> >> that does not need hiding behind membarrier calls. The gap in core
>> >> synchronization due to x86's sysret/sysexit and lazy tlb mode, is the
>> >> tricky detail that is better put in x86 lazy tlb code.
>> >>
>> >> Consider if an arch did not synchronize core in switch_mm either, then
>> >> membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode would be in the wrong place
>> >> but arch specific mmu context functions would still be the right place.
>> >> There is also a exit_lazy_tlb case that is not covered by this call, which
>> >> could be a bugs (kthread use mm the membarrier process's mm then context
>> >> switch back to the process without switching mm or lazy mm switch).
>> >>
>> >> This makes lazy tlb code a bit more modular.
>> >
>> > I have a couple of membarrier fixes that I want to send out today or
>> > tomorrow, and they might eliminate the need for this patch. Let me
>> > think about this a little bit. I'll cc you. The existing code is way
>> > to subtle and the comments are far too confusing for me to be quickly
>> > confident about any of my conclusions :)
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for the head's up. I'll have to have a better look through them
>> but I don't know that it eliminates the need for this entirely although
>> it might close some gaps and make this not a bug fix. The problem here
>> is x86 code wanted something to be called when a lazy mm is unlazied,
>> but it missed some spots and also the core scheduler doesn't need to
>> know about those x86 details if it has this generic call that annotates
>> the lazy handling better.
>
> I'll send v3 tomorrow. They add more sync_core_before_usermode() callers.
>
> Having looked at your patches a bunch and the membarrier code a bunch,
> I don't think I like the approach of pushing this logic out into new
> core functions called by arch code. Right now, even with my
> membarrier patches applied, understanding how (for example) the x86
> switch_mm_irqs_off() plus the scheduler code provides the barriers
> that membarrier needs is quite complicated, and it's not clear to me
> that the code is even correct. At the very least I'm pretty sure that
> the x86 comments are misleading.
>
> With your patches, someone trying to
> audit the code would have to follow core code calling into arch code
> and back out into core code to figure out what's going on. I think
> the result is worse.
Sorry I missed this and rather than reply to the later version you
have a bigger comment here.
I disagree. Until now nobody following it noticed that the mm gets
un-lazied in other cases, because that was not too clear from the
code (only indirectly using non-standard terminology in the arch
support document).
In other words, membarrier needs a special sync to deal with the case
when a kthread takes the mm. exit_lazy_tlb gives membarrier code that
exact hook that it wants from the core scheduler code.
>
> I wrote this incomplete patch which takes the opposite approach (sorry
> for whitespace damage):
That said, if you want to move the code entirely in the x86 arch from
exit_lazy_tlb to switch_mm_irqs_off, it's trivial and touches no core
code after my series :) and I would have no problem with doing that.
I suspect it might actually be more readable to go the other way and
pull most of the real_prev == next membarrier code into exit_lazy_tlb
instead, but I could be wrong I don't know exactly how the x86 lazy
state correlates with core lazy tlb state.
Thanks,
Nick
>
> commit 928b5c60e93f475934892d6e0b357ebf0a2bf87d
> Author: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
> Date: Wed Dec 2 17:24:02 2020 -0800
>
> [WIP] x86/mm: Handle unlazying membarrier core sync in the arch code
>
> The core scheduler isn't a great place for
> membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode() -- the core scheduler
> doesn't actually know whether we are lazy. With the old code, if a
> CPU is running a membarrier-registered task, goes idle, gets unlazied
> via a TLB shootdown IPI, and switches back to the
> membarrier-registered task, it will do an unnecessary core sync.
>
> Conveniently, x86 is the only architecture that does anything in this
> hook, so we can just move the code.
>
> XXX: actually delete the old code.
>
> Signed-off-by: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
>
> diff --git a/arch/x86/mm/tlb.c b/arch/x86/mm/tlb.c
> index 3338a1feccf9..e27300fc865b 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/mm/tlb.c
> +++ b/arch/x86/mm/tlb.c
> @@ -496,6 +496,8 @@ void switch_mm_irqs_off(struct mm_struct *prev,
> struct mm_struct *next,
> * from one thread in a process to another thread in the same
> * process. No TLB flush required.
> */
> +
> + // XXX: why is this okay wrt membarrier?
> if (!was_lazy)
> return;
>
> @@ -508,12 +510,24 @@ void switch_mm_irqs_off(struct mm_struct *prev,
> struct mm_struct *next,
> smp_mb();
> next_tlb_gen = atomic64_read(&next->context.tlb_gen);
> if (this_cpu_read(cpu_tlbstate.ctxs[prev_asid].tlb_gen) ==
> - next_tlb_gen)
> + next_tlb_gen) {
> + /*
> + * We're reactivating an mm, and membarrier might
> + * need to serialize. Tell membarrier.
> + */
> +
> + // XXX: I can't understand the logic in
> + // membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode(). What's
> + // the mm check for?
> + membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode(next);
> return;
> + }
>
> /*
> * TLB contents went out of date while we were in lazy
> * mode. Fall through to the TLB switching code below.
> + * No need for an explicit membarrier invocation -- the CR3
> + * write will serialize.
> */
> new_asid = prev_asid;
> need_flush = true;
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-12-05 8:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-11-28 16:01 [PATCH 0/8] shoot lazy tlbs Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] lazy tlb: introduce exit_lazy_tlb Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-29 0:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-02 2:49 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 2/8] x86: use exit_lazy_tlb rather than membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 17:55 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-02 2:49 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-03 5:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-05 8:00 ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2020-12-05 16:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-05 23:14 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-06 0:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-06 3:59 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-11 0:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-14 4:07 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-14 5:53 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-30 14:57 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 3/8] x86: remove ARCH_HAS_SYNC_CORE_BEFORE_USERMODE Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 4/8] lazy tlb: introduce lazy mm refcount helper functions Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 5/8] lazy tlb: allow lazy tlb mm switching to be configurable Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-29 0:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-02 2:49 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 6/8] lazy tlb: shoot lazies, a non-refcounting lazy tlb option Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-29 3:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-29 20:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-30 9:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-30 18:31 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-01 21:27 ` Will Deacon
2020-12-01 21:50 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-01 23:04 ` Will Deacon
2020-12-02 3:47 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-03 5:05 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-03 17:03 ` Alexander Gordeev
2020-12-03 17:14 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-03 18:33 ` Alexander Gordeev
2020-11-30 9:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-30 9:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-30 9:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-02 3:09 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-12-02 11:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-02 12:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-02 14:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-02 14:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-02 16:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 7/8] powerpc: use lazy mm refcount helper functions Nicholas Piggin
2020-11-28 16:01 ` [PATCH 8/8] powerpc/64s: enable MMU_LAZY_TLB_SHOOTDOWN Nicholas Piggin
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