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Petersen" , Jason Gunthorpe Cc: Matthew Wilcox , Josef Bacik , lsf-pc , Linux FS Devel , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Btrfs BTRFS , bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 11:15:51 -0800 In-Reply-To: References: <20200306160548.GB25710@bombadil.infradead.org> <1583516279.3653.71.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20200306180618.GN31668@ziepe.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Fri, 2020-03-06 at 14:07 -0500, Martin K. Petersen wrote: > Jason, > > > Yes, I can confirm this from another smaller hotel-style conference > > I've been involved organizing on occasion. $600-$800 is required to > > break even without major sponsorship $$ for the ~100 people mark, > > and that is without the usual food and venue perks we see at > > plumbers/lsfmm. > > Yep. Our actual per-person cost for LSF/MM/BPF is in excess of $1K. > That limits who we can invite. Personally I absolutely hate the > invitation aspect and process. But we are very constrained wrt. how > many we can actually accommodate by the amount of funding we get. > Things appear to be better this year, but sponsor mergers and > acquisitions have been a major concern the past few years. To be a bit mercenary (hey, it's my job, I'm Plumbers treasurer this year) our sponsors are mostly the same companies. If we combine LSF/MM and Plumbers, I can't see too many of them stepping up to sponsor us twice, so we'll have a net loss of sponsor funding for the combined event as well. This is likely another argument for doing two separately sponsored events. James