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From: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
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	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
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	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	"H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromiun.org>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
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	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	Vedvyas Shanbhogue <vedvyas.shanbhogue@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 22/27] x86/cet/ibt: User-mode indirect branch tracking support
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:00:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1531350028.15351.102.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f97ce234-52fa-e666-2250-098925cf3c39@linux.intel.com>

On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 15:40 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 07/11/2018 03:10 PM, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 2018-07-10 at 17:11 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > > 
> > > Is this feature *integral* to shadow stacks?A A Or, should it just
> > > be
> > > in a
> > > different series?
> > The whole CET series is mostly about SHSTK and only a minority for
> > IBT.
> > IBT changes cannot be applied by itself without first applying
> > SHSTK
> > changes. A Would the titles help, e.g. x86/cet/ibt, x86/cet/shstk,
> > etc.?
> That doesn't really answer what I asked, though.
> 
> Do shadow stacks *require* IBT?A A Or, should we concentrate on merging
> shadow stacks themselves first and then do IBT at a later time, in a
> different patch series?
> 
> But, yes, better patch titles would help, although I'm not sure
> that's
> quite the format that Ingo and Thomas prefer.

Shadow stack does not require IBT, but they complement each other. A If
we can resolve the legacy bitmap, both features can be merged at the
same time.

> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > +int cet_setup_ibt_bitmap(void)
> > > > +{
> > > > +	u64 r;
> > > > +	unsigned long bitmap;
> > > > +	unsigned long size;
> > > > +
> > > > +	if (!cpu_feature_enabled(X86_FEATURE_IBT))
> > > > +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> > > > +
> > > > +	size = TASK_SIZE_MAX / PAGE_SIZE / BITS_PER_BYTE;
> > > Just a note: this table is going to be gigantic on 5-level paging
> > > systems, and userspace won't, by default use any of that extra
> > > address
> > > space.A A I think it ends up being a 512GB allocation in a 128TB
> > > address
> > > space.
> > > 
> > > Is that a problem?
> > > 
> > > On 5-level paging systems, maybe we should just stick it up in
> > > theA 
> > > high part of the address space.
> > We do not know in advance if dlopen() needs to create the bitmap.
> > A Do
> > we always reserve high address or force legacy libs to low address?
> Does it matter?A A Does code ever get pointers to this area?A A Might
> they
> be depending on high address bits for the IBT being clear?

GLIBC does the bitmap setup. A It sets bits in there.
I thought you wanted a smaller bitmap? A One way is forcing legacy libs
to low address, or not having the bitmap at all, i.e. turn IBT off.

> 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > +	bitmap = ibt_mmap(0, size);
> > > > +
> > > > +	if (bitmap >= TASK_SIZE_MAX)
> > > > +		return -ENOMEM;
> > > > +
> > > > +	bitmap &= PAGE_MASK;
> > > We're page-aligning the result of an mmap()?A A Why?
> > This may not be necessary. A The lower bits of MSR_IA32_U_CET are
> > settings and not part of the bitmap address. A Is this is safer?
> No.A A If we have mmap() returning non-page-aligned addresses, we have
> bigger problems.A A Worst-case, do
> 
> 	WARN_ON_ONCE(bitmap & ~PAGE_MASK);
> 

Ok.

> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > +	current->thread.cet.ibt_bitmap_addr = bitmap;
> > > > +	current->thread.cet.ibt_bitmap_size = size;
> > > > +	return 0;
> > > > +}
> > > > +
> > > > +void cet_disable_ibt(void)
> > > > +{
> > > > +	u64 r;
> > > > +
> > > > +	if (!cpu_feature_enabled(X86_FEATURE_IBT))
> > > > +		return;
> > > Does this need a check for being already disabled?
> > We need that. A We cannot write to those MSRs if the CPU does not
> > support it.
> No, I mean for code doing cet_disable_ibt() twice in a row.

Got it.

> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > +	rdmsrl(MSR_IA32_U_CET, r);
> > > > +	r &= ~(MSR_IA32_CET_ENDBR_EN | MSR_IA32_CET_LEG_IW_EN
> > > > |
> > > > +	A A A A A A A MSR_IA32_CET_NO_TRACK_EN);
> > > > +	wrmsrl(MSR_IA32_U_CET, r);
> > > > +	current->thread.cet.ibt_enabled = 0;
> > > > +}
> > > What's the locking for current->thread.cet?
> > Now CET is not locked until the application callsA ARCH_CET_LOCK.
> No, I mean what is the in-kernel locking for the current->thread.cet
> data structure?A A Is there none because it's only every modified via
> current->thread and it's entirely thread-local?

Yes, that is the case.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-11 23:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-10 22:26 [RFC PATCH v2 00/27] Control Flow Enforcement (CET) Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/27] x86/cpufeatures: Add CPUIDs for Control-flow Enforcement Technology (CET) Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Change some names to separate XSAVES system and user states Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Enable XSAVES system states Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Add XSAVES system states for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/27] Documentation/x86: Add CET description Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11  8:27   ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-11 15:25     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11  9:57   ` Florian Weimer
2018-07-11 13:47     ` H.J. Lu
2018-07-11 14:53       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/27] x86/cet: Control protection exception handler Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/27] x86/cet/shstk: Add Kconfig option for user-mode shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/27] mm: Introduce VM_SHSTK for shadow stack memory Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11  8:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11 16:15     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/27] x86/mm: Change _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_DIRTY_HW Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/27] x86/mm: Introduce _PAGE_DIRTY_SW Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11  8:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11  9:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/27] x86/mm: Modify ptep_set_wrprotect and pmdp_set_wrprotect for _PAGE_DIRTY_SW Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:44   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-10 23:23     ` Nadav Amit
2018-07-10 23:52       ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-11  8:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/27] x86/mm: Shadow stack page fault error checking Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:52   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-11 17:28     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 23:24   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/27] mm: Handle shadow stack page fault Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 23:06   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-11  9:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-14 21:28       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/27] mm: Handle THP/HugeTLB " Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 23:08   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-11  9:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11 16:11     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-20 14:20   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-20 14:58     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/27] mm/mprotect: Prevent mprotect from changing shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 23:10   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-11  9:12     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11 16:07       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11 16:22         ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/27] mm: Modify can_follow_write_pte/pmd for " Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 23:37   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-11 17:05     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-13 18:26       ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-17 23:03         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-17 23:11           ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-17 23:15           ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-18 20:14             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-18 21:45               ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-18 23:10                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-19  0:06                   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-19 17:06                     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-19 19:31                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-11  9:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-17 23:00     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/27] x86/cet/shstk: User-mode shadow stack support Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 23:40   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-11  9:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11 15:45     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11  9:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11 21:10   ` Jann Horn
2018-07-11 21:34     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-11 21:51       ` Jann Horn
2018-07-11 22:21         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-13 18:03           ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/27] x86/cet/shstk: Introduce WRUSS instruction Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 23:48   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-12 22:59     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-12 23:49       ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-13  1:50         ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-13  2:21           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-13  4:16             ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-13  4:18               ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-13 17:39                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-13  5:55               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-11  9:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11 15:06     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11 15:30       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11  9:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11 14:58     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11 15:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11 15:41         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-13 12:12   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-13 17:37     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/27] x86/cet/shstk: Signal handling for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/27] x86/cet/shstk: ELF header parsing of CET Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11 11:12   ` Florian Weimer
2018-07-11 19:37   ` Jann Horn
2018-07-11 20:53     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/27] x86/cet/ibt: Add Kconfig option for user-mode Indirect Branch Tracking Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 22/27] x86/cet/ibt: User-mode indirect branch tracking support Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11  0:11   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-11 22:10     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11 22:40       ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-11 23:00         ` Yu-cheng Yu [this message]
2018-07-11 23:16           ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-13 17:56             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-13 18:05               ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-11 21:07   ` Jann Horn
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 23/27] mm/mmap: Add IBT bitmap size to address space limit check Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 23:57   ` Dave Hansen
2018-07-11 16:56     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 24/27] x86: Insert endbr32/endbr64 to vDSO Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 25/27] x86/cet: Add PTRACE interface for CET Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11 10:20   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-07-11 15:40     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-12 14:03       ` Ingo Molnar
2018-07-12 22:37         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-12 23:08           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-07-13 16:07             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-13  6:28         ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-13 13:33           ` Ingo Molnar
2018-07-14  6:27             ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 26/27] x86/cet/shstk: Handle thread shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-10 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 27/27] x86/cet: Add arch_prctl functions for CET Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11 12:19   ` Florian Weimer
2018-07-11 21:02     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-07-11 19:45   ` Jann Horn
2018-07-11 20:55     ` Yu-cheng Yu

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