From: Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org>
To: Shawn Landden <slandden@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] EPOLL_KILLME: New flag to epoll_wait() that subscribes process to death row (new syscall)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 11:16:37 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1509549397.2561228.1158168688.4CFA4326@webmail.messagingengine.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171101053244.5218-1-slandden@gmail.com>
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017, at 01:32 AM, Shawn Landden wrote:
> It is common for services to be stateless around their main event loop.
> If a process passes the EPOLL_KILLME flag to epoll_wait5() then it
> signals to the kernel that epoll_wait5() may not complete, and the kernel
> may send SIGKILL if resources get tight.
>
I've thought about something like this in the past too and would love
to see it land. Bigger picture, this also comes up in (server) container
environments, see e.g.:
https://docs.openshift.com/container-platform/3.3/admin_guide/idling_applications.html
There's going to be a long slog getting apps to actually make use
of this, but I suspect if it gets wrapped up nicely in some "framework"
libraries for C/C++, and be bound in the language ecosystems like golang
we could see a fair amount of adoption on the order of a year or two.
However, while I understand why it feels natural to tie this to epoll,
as the maintainer of glib2 which is used by a *lot* of things; I'm not
sure we're going to port to epoll anytime soon.
Why not just make this a prctl()? It's not like it's really any less racy to do:
prctl(PR_SET_IDLE)
epoll()
and this also allows:
prctl(PR_SET_IDLE)
poll()
And as this is most often just going to be an optional hint it's easier to e.g. just ignore EINVAL
from the prctl().
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-11-01 15:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-11-01 5:32 Shawn Landden
2017-11-01 14:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-01 15:16 ` Colin Walters [this message]
2017-11-01 15:22 ` Colin Walters
2017-11-03 9:22 ` peter enderborg
2017-11-01 19:02 ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-01 19:37 ` Colin Walters
2017-11-01 19:43 ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-01 20:54 ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-02 15:24 ` Shawn Paul Landden
2017-11-01 19:05 ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-01 22:10 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-02 7:36 ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-02 15:45 ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-03 6:35 ` [RFC v2] prctl: prctl(PR_SET_IDLE, PR_IDLE_MODE_KILLME), for stateless idle loops Shawn Landden
2017-11-03 9:09 ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-18 4:45 ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-19 4:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-20 8:35 ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-21 4:48 ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-21 7:05 ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-18 20:33 ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-21 4:49 ` [RFC v3] It is common for services to be stateless around their main event loop. If a process sets PR_SET_IDLE to PR_IDLE_MODE_KILLME then it signals to the kernel that epoll_wait() and friends may not complete, and the kernel may send SIGKILL if resources get tight Shawn Landden
2017-11-21 4:56 ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-21 5:16 ` [RFC v4] " Shawn Landden
2017-11-21 5:26 ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-21 9:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-22 10:29 ` [RFC v2] prctl: prctl(PR_SET_IDLE, PR_IDLE_MODE_KILLME), for stateless idle loops peter enderborg
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