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From: Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org>
To: Shawn Landden <slandden@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] EPOLL_KILLME: New flag to epoll_wait() that subscribes process to death row (new syscall)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 11:16:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1509549397.2561228.1158168688.4CFA4326@webmail.messagingengine.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171101053244.5218-1-slandden@gmail.com>



On Wed, Nov 1, 2017, at 01:32 AM, Shawn Landden wrote:
> It is common for services to be stateless around their main event loop.
> If a process passes the EPOLL_KILLME flag to epoll_wait5() then it
> signals to the kernel that epoll_wait5() may not complete, and the kernel
> may send SIGKILL if resources get tight.
> 

I've thought about something like this in the past too and would love
to see it land.  Bigger picture, this also comes up in (server) container
environments, see e.g.:

https://docs.openshift.com/container-platform/3.3/admin_guide/idling_applications.html

There's going to be a long slog getting apps to actually make use
of this, but I suspect if it gets wrapped up nicely in some "framework"
libraries for C/C++, and be bound in the language ecosystems like golang
we could see a fair amount of adoption on the order of a year or two.

However, while I understand why it feels natural to tie this to epoll,
as the maintainer of glib2 which is used by a *lot* of things; I'm not
sure we're going to port to epoll anytime soon.

Why not just make this a prctl()?  It's not like it's really any less racy to do:

prctl(PR_SET_IDLE)
epoll()

and this also allows:

prctl(PR_SET_IDLE)
poll()

And as this is most often just going to be an optional hint it's easier to e.g. just ignore EINVAL
from the prctl().

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-11-01 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-01  5:32 Shawn Landden
2017-11-01 14:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-01 15:16 ` Colin Walters [this message]
2017-11-01 15:22   ` Colin Walters
2017-11-03  9:22     ` peter enderborg
2017-11-01 19:02   ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-01 19:37     ` Colin Walters
2017-11-01 19:43       ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-01 20:54       ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-02 15:24       ` Shawn Paul Landden
2017-11-01 19:05   ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-01 22:10 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-02  7:36   ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-02 15:45 ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-03  6:35 ` [RFC v2] prctl: prctl(PR_SET_IDLE, PR_IDLE_MODE_KILLME), for stateless idle loops Shawn Landden
2017-11-03  9:09   ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-18  4:45     ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-19  4:19       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-20  8:35       ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-21  4:48         ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-21  7:05           ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-18 20:33     ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-21  4:49   ` [RFC v3] It is common for services to be stateless around their main event loop. If a process sets PR_SET_IDLE to PR_IDLE_MODE_KILLME then it signals to the kernel that epoll_wait() and friends may not complete, and the kernel may send SIGKILL if resources get tight Shawn Landden
2017-11-21  4:56     ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-21  5:16     ` [RFC v4] " Shawn Landden
2017-11-21  5:26       ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-21  9:14       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-22 10:29   ` [RFC v2] prctl: prctl(PR_SET_IDLE, PR_IDLE_MODE_KILLME), for stateless idle loops peter enderborg

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