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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
Cc: Anton Blanchard <anton@ozlabs.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	 linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	 linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	 Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, x86 <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/7] x86: use exit_lazy_tlb rather than membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 11:46:22 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1494299304.15894.1594914382695.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1594873644.viept6os6j.astroid@bobo.none>



----- On Jul 16, 2020, at 12:42 AM, Nicholas Piggin npiggin@gmail.com wrote:
> I should be more complete here, especially since I was complaining
> about unclear barrier comment :)
> 
> 
> CPU0                     CPU1
> a. user stuff            1. user stuff
> b. membarrier()          2. enter kernel
> c. smp_mb()              3. smp_mb__after_spinlock(); // in __schedule
> d. read rq->curr         4. rq->curr switched to kthread
> e. is kthread, skip IPI  5. switch_to kthread
> f. return to user        6. rq->curr switched to user thread
> g. user stuff            7. switch_to user thread
>                         8. exit kernel
>                         9. more user stuff
> 
> What you're really ordering is a, g vs 1, 9 right?
> 
> In other words, 9 must see a if it sees g, g must see 1 if it saw 9,
> etc.
> 
> Userspace does not care where the barriers are exactly or what kernel
> memory accesses might be being ordered by them, so long as there is a
> mb somewhere between a and g, and 1 and 9. Right?

This is correct. Note that the accesses to user-space memory can be
done either by user-space code or kernel code, it doesn't matter.
However, in order to be considered as happening before/after
either membarrier or the matching compiler barrier, kernel code
needs to have causality relationship with user-space execution,
e.g. user-space does a system call, or returns from a system call.

In the case of io_uring, submitting a request or returning from waiting
on request completion appear to provide this causality relationship.

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com


  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-16 15:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-10  1:56 [RFC PATCH 0/7] mmu context cleanup, lazy tlb cleanup, Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10  1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] asm-generic: add generic MMU versions of mmu context functions Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10  1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] arch: use asm-generic mmu context for no-op implementations Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10  1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] mm: introduce exit_lazy_tlb Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10  1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] x86: use exit_lazy_tlb rather than membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10  9:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-10 14:02   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-10 17:04   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-13  4:45     ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-13 13:47       ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-13 14:13         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-13 15:48           ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-13 16:37             ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16  4:15           ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16  4:42             ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16 15:46               ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2020-07-16 16:03                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-16 18:58                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-16 21:24                     ` Alan Stern
2020-07-17 13:39                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-17 14:51                         ` Alan Stern
2020-07-17 15:39                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-17 16:11                             ` Alan Stern
2020-07-17 16:22                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-17 17:44                                 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-17 17:52                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-17  0:00                     ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16  5:18             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-16  6:06               ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16  8:50               ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-16 10:03                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16 11:00                   ` peterz
2020-07-16 15:34                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-16 23:26                     ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-17 13:42                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-20  3:03                         ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-20 16:46                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-21 10:04                             ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-21 13:11                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-21 14:30                                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-21 15:06                               ` peterz
2020-07-21 15:15                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-21 15:19                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-21 15:22                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-07-10  1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] lazy tlb: introduce lazy mm refcount helper functions Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10  9:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-10  1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] lazy tlb: allow lazy tlb mm switching to be configurable Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10  1:56 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] lazy tlb: shoot lazies, a non-refcounting lazy tlb option Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-10  9:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-13  4:58     ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-13 15:59   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-13 16:48     ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-13 18:18       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-14  5:04         ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-14  6:31           ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-14 12:46             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-14 13:23               ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-16  2:26               ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-07-16  2:35               ` Nicholas Piggin

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