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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm, vmscan: do not loop on too_many_isolated for ever
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2017 10:54:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1488988497.8850.23.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170308092114.GB11028@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Wed, 2017-03-08 at 10:21 +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:

> > Could that create problems if we have many concurrent
> > reclaimers?
> 
> As the changelog mentions it might cause a premature oom killer
> invocation theoretically. We could easily see that from the oom
> report
> by checking isolated counters. My testing didn't trigger that though
> and I was hammering the page allocator path from many threads.
> 
> I suspect some artificial tests can trigger that, I am not so sure
> about
> reasonabel workloads. If we see this happening though then the fix
> would
> be to resurrect my previous attempt to track NR_ISOLATED* per zone
> and
> use them in the allocator retry logic.

I am not sure the workload in question is "artificial".
A heavily forking (or multi-threaded) server running out
of physical memory could easily get hundreds of tasks
doing direct reclaim simultaneously.

In fact, false OOM kills with that kind of workload is
how we ended up getting the "too many isolated" logic
in the first place.

I am perfectly fine with moving the retry logic up like
you did, but think it may make sense to check the number
of reclaimable pages if we have too many isolated pages,
instead of risking a too-early OOM kill.

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-08 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-07 13:30 Michal Hocko
2017-03-07 19:52 ` Rik van Riel
2017-03-08  9:21   ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-08 15:54     ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2017-03-09  9:12       ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-09 14:16         ` Rik van Riel
2017-03-09 14:59           ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-09 18:05   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-03-09 22:18     ` Rik van Riel
2017-03-10 10:27       ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-10 10:20     ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-10 11:44       ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-03-21 10:37         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-04-23 10:24         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-04-24 12:39           ` Stanislaw Gruszka
2017-04-24 13:06             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-04-25  6:33               ` Stanislaw Gruszka
2017-06-30  0:14         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-30 13:32           ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-30 15:59             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-30 16:19               ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-01 11:43                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-07-05  8:19                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-05  8:20                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-06 10:48                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-03-09 14:31 ` Mel Gorman
2017-07-10  7:48 Michal Hocko
2017-07-10 13:16 ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-07-10 13:58 ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-10 16:58   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-07-10 17:09     ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-19 22:20 ` Andrew Morton
2017-07-20  6:56   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-21 23:01     ` Andrew Morton
2017-07-24  6:50       ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-20  1:54 ` Hugh Dickins
2017-07-20 10:44   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-07-24  7:01     ` Hugh Dickins
2017-07-24 11:12       ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-07-20 13:22   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-24  7:03     ` Hugh Dickins

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