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From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ying Huang <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, ak@linux.intel.com, aaron.lu@intel.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Hillf Danton <hillf.zj@alibaba-inc.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/9] mm/swap: Regular page swap optimizations
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 09:47:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1483465649.3064.88.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170103043411.GA15657@bbox>

On Tue, 2017-01-03 at 13:34 +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hi Jan,
> 
> On Mon, Jan 02, 2017 at 04:48:41PM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Tue 27-12-16 16:45:03, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Patch 3 splits the swap cache radix tree into 64MB chunks, reducing
> > > > A A A A A A A A the rate that we have to contende for the radix tree.
> > > To me, it's rather hacky. I think it might be common problem for page cache
> > > so can we think another generalized way like range_lock? Ccing Jan.
> > I agree on the hackyness of the patch and that page cache would suffer with
> > the same contention (although the files are usually smaller than swap so it
> > would not be that visible I guess). But I don't see how range lock would
> > help here - we need to serialize modifications of the tree structure itself
> > and that is difficult to achieve with the range lock. So what you would
> > need is either a different data structure for tracking swap cache entries
> > or a finer grained locking of the radix tree.
> Thanks for the comment, Jan.
> 
> I think there are more general options. One is to shrink batching pages like
> Mel and Tim had approached.
> 
> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9008421/
> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9322793/

The batching of pages is done in this patch series with a page allocation cache
and page release cache. A It is done a bit differently than my original patch proposal.

This reduces the contention on the swap_info lock. We uses
the splitting of the radix tree to reduce the radix tree lock contention.

In our tests, these two approaches combined are quite effective in reducing the
latency on actual fast solid state drives. A So we hope that the patch series
can be merged to facilitate the use case of using these drives as secondary
memory.

Tim

> 
> Or concurrent page cache by peter.
> 
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/ols/2007/ols2007v2-pages-311-318.pdf
> 
> Ccing Nick who might have an interest on lockless page cache.
> 
> Thanks.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-01-03 17:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-09 21:09 Tim Chen
2016-12-09 21:09 ` [PATCH v4 1/9] mm/swap: Fix kernel message in swap_info_get() Tim Chen
2016-12-09 21:09 ` [PATCH v4 2/9] mm/swap: Add cluster lock Tim Chen
2016-12-09 21:09 ` [PATCH v4 3/9] mm/swap: Split swap cache into 64MB trunks Tim Chen
2016-12-09 21:09 ` [PATCH v4 4/9] mm/swap: skip read ahead for unreferenced swap slots Tim Chen
2016-12-09 21:09 ` [PATCH v4 5/9] mm/swap: Allocate swap slots in batches Tim Chen
2016-12-09 21:09 ` [PATCH v4 6/9] mm/swap: Free swap slots in batch Tim Chen
2016-12-09 21:09 ` [PATCH v4 7/9] mm/swap: Add cache for swap slots allocation Tim Chen
2016-12-09 21:09 ` [PATCH v4 8/9] mm/swap: Enable swap slots cache usage Tim Chen
2016-12-09 21:09 ` [PATCH v4 9/9] mm/swap: Skip readahead only when swap slot cache is enabled Tim Chen
2016-12-27  7:45 ` [PATCH v4 0/9] mm/swap: Regular page swap optimizations Minchan Kim
2016-12-28  1:54   ` Huang, Ying
2016-12-28  2:37     ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-28  3:15       ` Huang, Ying
2016-12-28  3:31         ` Huang, Ying
2016-12-28  3:53           ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-28  4:56             ` Huang, Ying
2017-01-02 15:48   ` Jan Kara
2017-01-03  4:34     ` Minchan Kim
2017-01-03  5:43       ` Huang, Ying
2017-01-05  6:15         ` Minchan Kim
2017-01-03 17:47       ` Tim Chen [this message]
2017-01-05  1:33   ` Huang, Ying
2017-01-05  6:32     ` Minchan Kim
2017-01-05  6:44       ` Huang, Ying

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