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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Server: rspam05 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A3F34A000F X-Stat-Signature: fqfjywihji5h5ka8854yznp5yhw1igda X-Rspam-User: X-HE-Tag: 1737729908-503601 X-HE-Meta: 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 uFiSvK2Z 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 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000201, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 23.01.25 16:22, Patrick Roy wrote: > On Thu, 2025-01-23 at 14:18 +0000, David Hildenbrand wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That said, we could always have a userspace address dedicated to >>>>> mapping shared locations, and use that address when the necessity >>>>> arises. Or we could always require that memslots have a userspace >>>>> address, even if not used. I don't really have a strong preference. >>>> >>>> So, the simpler version where user space would simply mmap guest_memfd >>>> to provide the address via userspace_addr would at least work for the >>>> use case of paravirtualized time? >>> >>> fwiw, I'm currently prototyping something like this for x86 (although >>> not by putting the gmem address into userspace_addr, but by adding a new >>> field to memslots, so that memory attributes continue working), based on >>> what we talked about at the last guest_memfd sync meeting (the whole >>> "how to get MMIO emulation working for non-CoCo VMs in guest_memfd" >>> story). >> >> Yes, I recall that discussion. Can you elaborate why the separate field >> is required to keep memory attributes working? (could it be sorted out >> differently, by reusing userspace_addr?). > > The scenario I ran into was that within the same memslots, I wanted some > gfns to be backed by guest_memfd, and others by traditional memory, so > that KVM can GUP some parts of guest memory even if guest_memfd itself > is direct map removed. Just summarizing what we discussed yesterday: GUP will not be allowed if the direct map was removed, and paravirt time on x86 uses GUP to access the guest page right now. > > It actually also has to do with paravirtual time, but on x86. Here, the > guest chooses where in guest memory the clock structure is placed via an > MSR write (so I can't a priori use a traditional memslot, like we can on > ARM). KVM internally wants to GUP the hva that corresponds to the gfn > the guest chooses, but if the hva is in a mapping of direct map removed > gmem, that won't work. And as discussed here, Sean raised that these hypervisor updates happen rarely. In the first step, it might be good enough to just update using the user-space page table mappings (user access), to avoid messing with kmap/direct-map reinstalling. With that in place, it looks like that user space could simply mmap guest_memfd and provide the mmaped area "ordinarily" as the "shared memory" part of the guest_memfd -- using userspace_address. GUP would fail, bit paravirt time would not be using GUP. So we could handle the guest_memfd mmap just like on other architectures, without the need for other memslot fields. Please correct me if I misunderstood something :) -- Cheers, David / dhildenb