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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 1/2] ACPI / EC: Fix broken 64bit big-endian users of 'global_lock'
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 07:26:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1443450406.2168.3.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <063D6719AE5E284EB5DD2968C1650D6D1CBA3BF7@AcuExch.aculab.com>

On Mon, 2015-09-28 at 08:58 +0000, David Laight wrote:
> From: Rafael J. Wysocki
> > Sent: 27 September 2015 15:09
> ...
> > > > Say you have three adjacent fields in a structure, x, y, z, each one byte long.
> > > > Initially, all of them are equal to 0.
> > > >
> > > > CPU A writes 1 to x and CPU B writes 2 to y at the same time.
> > > >
> > > > What's the result?
> > >
> > > I think every CPU's  cache architecure guarantees adjacent store
> > > integrity, even in the face of SMP, so it's x==1 and y==2.  If you're
> > > thinking of old alpha SMP system where the lowest store width is 32 bits
> > > and thus you have to do RMW to update a byte, this was usually fixed by
> > > padding (assuming the structure is not packed).  However, it was such a
> > > problem that even the later alpha chips had byte extensions.
> 
> Does linux still support those old Alphas?
> 
> The x86 cpus will also do 32bit wide rmw cycles for the 'bit' operations.

That's different: it's an atomic RMW operation.  The problem with the
alpha was that the operation wasn't atomic (meaning that it can't be
interrupted and no intermediate output states are visible).

> > OK, thanks!
> 
> You still have to ensure the compiler doesn't do wider rmw cycles.
> I believe the recent versions of gcc won't do wider accesses for volatile data.

I don't understand this comment.  You seem to be implying gcc would do a
64 bit RMW for a 32 bit store ... that would be daft when a single
instruction exists to perform the operation on all architectures.

James


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  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-28 14:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-25 16:41 Viresh Kumar
2015-09-25 16:41 ` [PATCH V4 2/2] debugfs: Pass bool pointer to debugfs_create_bool() Viresh Kumar
2015-09-25 17:42 ` [PATCH V4 1/2] ACPI / EC: Fix broken 64bit big-endian users of 'global_lock' Johannes Berg
2015-09-25 18:47   ` Viresh Kumar
2015-09-25 18:49     ` Johannes Berg
2015-09-25 18:52       ` Viresh Kumar
2015-09-25 20:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-25 20:33           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-25 20:25             ` Viresh Kumar
2015-09-25 20:58               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-25 21:44                 ` Viresh Kumar
2015-09-25 22:19                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-26 18:40                     ` Viresh Kumar
2015-09-26 19:33                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-09-27 14:10                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-28  8:24                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-09-28 13:07                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-26 19:52                 ` James Bottomley
2015-09-27 14:09                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-28  8:58                     ` David Laight
2015-09-28 14:26                       ` James Bottomley [this message]
2015-09-28 14:50                         ` David Laight
2015-09-28 15:11                           ` James Bottomley
2015-09-28 15:31                             ` David Laight
2015-09-25 20:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-25 20:22   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-27  5:31 ` Jiri Slaby
2015-09-27 14:35   ` Viresh Kumar

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