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From: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Ebru Akagunduz <ebru.akagunduz@gmail.com>,
	Alex Thorlton <athorlton@sgi.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/6] the big khugepaged redesign
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:46:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1424731603.6539.51.camel@stgolabs.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1424696322-21952-1-git-send-email-vbabka@suse.cz>

On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 13:58 +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> Recently, there was concern expressed (e.g. [1]) whether the quite aggressive
> THP allocation attempts on page faults are a good performance trade-off.
> 
> - THP allocations add to page fault latency, as high-order allocations are
>   notoriously expensive. Page allocation slowpath now does extra checks for
>   GFP_TRANSHUGE && !PF_KTHREAD to avoid the more expensive synchronous
>   compaction for user page faults. But even async compaction can be expensive.
> - During the first page fault in a 2MB range we cannot predict how much of the
>   range will be actually accessed - we can theoretically waste as much as 511
>   worth of pages [2]. Or, the pages in the range might be accessed from CPUs
>   from different NUMA nodes and while base pages could be all local, THP could
>   be remote to all but one CPU. The cost of remote accesses due to this false
>   sharing would be higher than any savings on the TLB.
> - The interaction with memcg are also problematic [1].
> 
> Now I don't have any hard data to show how big these problems are, and I
> expect we will discuss this on LSF/MM (and hope somebody has such data [3]).
> But it's certain that e.g. SAP recommends to disable THPs [4] for their apps
> for performance reasons.

There are plenty of examples of this, ie for Oracle:

https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/entry/performance_issues_with_transparent_huge
http://oracle-base.com/articles/linux/configuring-huge-pages-for-oracle-on-linux-64.php

Thanks,
Davidlohr

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-02-23 22:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-23 12:58 Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-23 12:58 ` [RFC 1/6] mm, thp: stop preallocating hugepages in khugepaged Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-23 12:58 ` [RFC 2/6] mm, thp: make khugepaged check for THP allocability before scanning Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-23 12:58 ` [RFC 3/6] mm, thp: try fault allocations only if we expect them to succeed Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-23 12:58 ` [RFC 4/6] mm, thp: move collapsing from khugepaged to task_work context Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-23 14:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-23 12:58 ` [RFC 5/6] mm, thp: wakeup khugepaged when THP allocation fails Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-23 12:58 ` [RFC 6/6] mm, thp: remove no longer needed khugepaged code Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-23 21:03 ` [RFC 0/6] the big khugepaged redesign Andi Kleen
2015-02-23 22:46 ` Davidlohr Bueso [this message]
2015-02-23 22:56   ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-23 22:58     ` Sasha Levin
2015-02-24 10:32     ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-24 11:24       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2015-02-24 11:45         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2015-02-25 12:42         ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-05 16:30       ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-05 16:52         ` Andres Freund
2015-03-05 17:01           ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-05 17:07             ` Andres Freund
2015-03-06  0:21         ` Andres Freund
2015-03-06  7:50           ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-09  3:17   ` Vlastimil Babka

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