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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [LSF/MM TOPIC] really large storage sectors - going beyond 4096 bytes
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:54:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1390406077.2372.4.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52DF353D.6050300@redhat.com>

On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 22:04 -0500, Ric Wheeler wrote:
> One topic that has been lurking forever at the edges is the current 4k 
> limitation for file system block sizes. Some devices in production today and 
> others coming soon have larger sectors and it would be interesting to see if it 
> is time to poke at this topic again.
> 
> LSF/MM seems to be pretty much the only event of the year that most of the key 
> people will be present, so should be a great topic for a joint session.

But the question is what will the impact be.  A huge amount of fuss was
made about 512->4k.  Linux was totally ready because we had variable
block sizes and our page size is 4k.  I even have one pure 4k sector
drive that works in one of my test systems.

However, the result was the market chose to go the physical/logical
route because of other Operating System considerations, all 4k drives
expose 512 byte sectors and do RMW internally.  For us it becomes about
layout and alignment, which we already do.  I can't see how going to 8k
or 16k would be any different from what we've already done.  In other
words, this is an already solved problem.

James


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-22 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-20  9:30 LSF/MM 2014 Call For Proposals Mel Gorman
2014-01-06 22:20 ` [LSF/MM TOPIC] [ATTEND] persistent memory progress, management of storage & file systems Ric Wheeler
2014-01-06 22:32   ` faibish, sorin
2014-01-07 19:44     ` Joel Becker
2014-01-21  7:00 ` LSF/MM 2014 Call For Proposals Michel Lespinasse
2014-01-22  3:04 ` [LSF/MM TOPIC] really large storage sectors - going beyond 4096 bytes Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22  5:20   ` Joel Becker
2014-01-22  7:14     ` Hannes Reinecke
2014-01-22  9:34   ` [Lsf-pc] " Mel Gorman
2014-01-22 14:10     ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 14:34       ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-22 14:58         ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 15:19           ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-22 17:02             ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 17:21               ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 18:02                 ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 18:13                   ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 18:17                     ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 18:35                       ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 18:39                         ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 19:30                           ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 19:50                             ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-22 20:13                               ` Chris Mason
2014-01-23  2:46                                 ` David Lang
2014-01-23  5:21                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-01-23  8:35                               ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 12:55                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-01-23 19:49                                   ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 21:21                                   ` Joel Becker
2014-01-22 20:57                             ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-01-22 18:37                     ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 18:40                       ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 18:47                       ` James Bottomley
2014-01-23 21:27                         ` Joel Becker
2014-01-23 21:34                           ` Chris Mason
2014-01-23  8:27                     ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 15:47                       ` James Bottomley
2014-01-23 16:44                         ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-23 19:55                           ` James Bottomley
2014-01-24 10:57                             ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-30  4:52                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2014-01-30  6:01                                 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-30 10:50                                 ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-23 20:34                           ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 20:54                         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-01-23  8:24                 ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-23 20:48             ` Christoph Lameter
2014-01-22 20:47           ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-01-23  8:21         ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-22 15:14     ` Chris Mason
2014-01-22 16:03       ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 16:45         ` Ric Wheeler
2014-01-22 17:00           ` James Bottomley
2014-01-22 21:05             ` Jan Kara
2014-01-23 20:47     ` Christoph Lameter
2014-01-24 11:09       ` Mel Gorman
2014-01-24 15:44         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-01-22 15:54   ` James Bottomley [this message]
2014-03-14  9:02 ` Update on LSF/MM [was Re: LSF/MM 2014 Call For Proposals] James Bottomley

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