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From: Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Guan Xuetao <gxt@mprc.pku.edu.cn>,
	"Chandramouleeswaran, Aswin" <aswin@hp.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: cache largest vma
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:59:33 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1384203573.6940.67.camel@buesod1.americas.hpqcorp.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131111204702.GD18886@gmail.com>

On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 21:47 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 13:01 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > * Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi Ingo,
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 08:36 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > > > * Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > I will look into doing the vma cache per thread instead of mm (I hadn't 
> > > > > > really looked at the problem like this) as well as Ingo's suggestion on 
> > > > > > the weighted LRU approach. However, having seen that we can cheaply and 
> > > > > > easily reach around ~70% hit rate in a lot of workloads, makes me wonder 
> > > > > > how good is good enough?
> > > > > 
> > > > > So I think it all really depends on the hit/miss cost difference. It makes 
> > > > > little sense to add a more complex scheme if it washes out most of the 
> > > > > benefits!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Also note the historic context: the _original_ mmap_cache, that I 
> > > > > implemented 16 years ago, was a front-line cache to a linear list walk 
> > > > > over all vmas (!).
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is the relevant 2.1.37pre1 code in include/linux/mm.h:
> > > > > 
> > > > > /* Look up the first VMA which satisfies  addr < vm_end,  NULL if none. */
> > > > > static inline struct vm_area_struct * find_vma(struct mm_struct * mm, unsigned long addr)
> > > > > {
> > > > >         struct vm_area_struct *vma = NULL;
> > > > > 
> > > > >         if (mm) {
> > > > >                 /* Check the cache first. */
> > > > >                 vma = mm->mmap_cache;
> > > > >                 if(!vma || (vma->vm_end <= addr) || (vma->vm_start > addr)) {
> > > > >                         vma = mm->mmap;
> > > > >                         while(vma && vma->vm_end <= addr)
> > > > >                                 vma = vma->vm_next;
> > > > >                         mm->mmap_cache = vma;
> > > > >                 }
> > > > >         }
> > > > >         return vma;
> > > > > }
> > > > > 
> > > > > See that vma->vm_next iteration? It was awful - but back then most of us 
> > > > > had at most a couple of megs of RAM with just a few vmas. No RAM, no SMP, 
> > > > > no worries - the mm was really simple back then.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Today we have the vma rbtree, which is self-balancing and a lot faster 
> > > > > than your typical linear list walk search ;-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > So I'd _really_ suggest to first examine the assumptions behind the cache, 
> > > > > it being named 'cache' and it having a hit rate does in itself not 
> > > > > guarantee that it gives us any worthwile cost savings when put in front of 
> > > > > an rbtree ...
> > > > 
> > > > So having mmap_cache around, in whatever form, is an important
> > > > optimization for find_vma() - even to this day. It can save us at least
> > > > 50% cycles that correspond to this function. [...]
> > > 
> > > I'm glad it still helps! :-)
> > > 
> > > > [...] I ran a variety of mmap_cache alternatives over two workloads that 
> > > > are heavy on page faults (as opposed to Java based ones I had tried 
> > > > previously, which really don't trigger enough for it to be worthwhile).  
> > > > So we now have a comparison of 5 different caching schemes -- note that 
> > > > the 4 element hash table is quite similar to two elements, with a hash 
> > > > function of (addr % hash_size).
> > > > 
> > > > 1) Kernel build
> > > > +------------------------+----------+------------------+---------+
> > > > |    mmap_cache type     | hit-rate | cycles (billion) | stddev  |
> > > > +------------------------+----------+------------------+---------+
> > > > | no mmap_cache          | -        | 15.85            | 0.10066 |
> > > > | current mmap_cache     | 72.32%   | 11.03            | 0.01155 |
> > > > | mmap_cache+largest VMA | 84.55%   |  9.91            | 0.01414 |
> > > > | 4 element hash table   | 78.38%   | 10.52            | 0.01155 |
> > > > | per-thread mmap_cache  | 78.84%   | 10.69            | 0.01325 |
> > > > +------------------------+----------+------------------+---------+
> > > > 
> > > > In this particular workload the proposed patch benefits the most and 
> > > > current alternatives, while they do help some, aren't really worth 
> > > > bothering with as the current implementation already does a nice enough 
> > > > job.
> > > 
> > > Interesting.
> > > 
> > > > 2) Oracle Data mining (4K pages)
> > > > +------------------------+----------+------------------+---------+
> > > > |    mmap_cache type     | hit-rate | cycles (billion) | stddev  |
> > > > +------------------------+----------+------------------+---------+
> > > > | no mmap_cache          | -        | 63.35            | 0.20207 |
> > > > | current mmap_cache     | 65.66%   | 19.55            | 0.35019 |
> > > > | mmap_cache+largest VMA | 71.53%   | 15.84            | 0.26764 |
> > > > | 4 element hash table   | 70.75%   | 15.90            | 0.25586 |
> > > > | per-thread mmap_cache  | 86.42%   | 11.57            | 0.29462 |
> > > > +------------------------+----------+------------------+---------+
> > > > 
> > > > This workload sure makes the point of how much we can benefit of caching 
> > > > the vma, otherwise find_vma() can cost more than 220% extra cycles. We 
> > > > clearly win here by having a per-thread cache instead of per address 
> > > > space. I also tried the same workload with 2Mb hugepages and the results 
> > > > are much more closer to the kernel build, but with the per-thread vma 
> > > > still winning over the rest of the alternatives.
> > > 
> > > That's also very interesting, and it's exactly the kind of data we need to 
> > > judge such matters. Kernel builds and DB loads are two very different, yet 
> > > important workloads, so if we improve both cases then the probability that 
> > > we improve all other workloads as well increases substantially.
> > > 
> > > Do you have any data on the number of find_vma() calls performed in these 
> > > two cases, so that we can know the per function call average cost?
> > > 
> > 
> > For the kernel build we get around 140 million calls to find_vma(), and 
> > for Oracle around 27 million. So the function ends up costing 
> > significantly more for the DB workload.
> 
> Hm, mind tabulating that into per function call (cycles) and such, for an 
> easier overview?
> 
> I do think the Oracle case might be pinpointing a separate 
> bug/problem/property: unless it's using an obscene number of vmas its 
> rbtree should have a manageable depth, what is the average (accessed) 
> depth of the rbtree, and is it properly balanced?

That is something I didn't measure. However, by judging the huge
increase of cycles when we remove the mmap_cache, it must be an enormous
tree and/or the way the tree is sorted by address really isn't helping
the workload.

> 
> Or is access to varied in the Oracle case that it's missing the cache all 
> the time, because the rbtree causes many cachemisses as the separate nodes 
> are accessed during an rb-walk?

Similar to get_cycles(), is there anyway to quickly measure the amount
of executed instructions? Getting the IPC for the mmap_cache (this of
course is constant) and the treewalk could give us a nice overview of
the function's cost. I was thinking of stealing some perf-stat
functionality for this but didn't get around to it. Hopefully there's an
easier way...

Thanks,
Davidlohr

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-11 20:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-01 20:17 Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-01 20:38 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-11-01 21:11   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-03  9:46     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-03 23:57     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-11-04  4:22       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-01 21:23 ` Rik van Riel
2013-11-03 10:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-04  4:20   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-04  4:48     ` converting unicore32 to gate_vma as done for arm (was Re: [PATCH] mm: cache largest vma) Al Viro
2013-11-05  2:49       ` 管雪涛
2013-11-11  7:25         ` converting unicore32 to gate_vma as done for arm (was " Al Viro
2013-11-04  7:00     ` [PATCH] mm: cache largest vma Ingo Molnar
2013-11-04  7:05     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-04 14:20       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-04 17:52         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-04 18:10           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-05  8:24             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-05 14:27               ` Jiri Olsa
2013-11-06  6:01                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-06 14:03                   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2013-11-03 18:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-04  4:04   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-04  7:36     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-04 14:56       ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-11-11  4:12       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-11  7:43         ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-11-11 12:04           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-11 20:47             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-13 17:08               ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-13 17:59                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-13 18:16               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-11 12:01         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-11 18:24           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-11-11 20:47             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-11 20:59               ` Davidlohr Bueso [this message]
2013-11-11 21:09                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-04  7:03   ` Christoph Hellwig

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