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From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, "Shi, Alex" <alex.shi@intel.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr.bueso@hp.com>,
	"Wilcox, Matthew R" <matthew.r.wilcox@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: Performance regression from switching lock to rw-sem for anon-vma tree
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:08:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1375740503.22432.429.camel@schen9-DESK> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130730192455.GA22259@gmail.com>

On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 21:24 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:

> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
> 
> > +config RWSEM_SPIN_ON_WRITE_OWNER
> > +	bool "Optimistic spin write acquisition for writer owned rw-sem"
> > +	default n
> > +	depends on SMP
> > +	help
> > +	  Allows a writer to perform optimistic spinning if another writer own
> > +	  the read write semaphore.  If the lock owner is running, it is likely
> > +	  to release the lock soon. Spinning gives a greater chance for writer to
> > +	  acquire a semaphore before putting it to sleep.
> 
> The way you've worded this new Kconfig option makes it 
> sound as if it's not just for testing, and I'm not a big 
> believer in extra Kconfig degrees of freedom for 
> scalability features of core locking primitives like 
> rwsems, in production kernels ...
> 
> So the bad news is that such scalability optimizations 
> really need to work for everyone.
> 
> The good news is that I don't think there's anything 
> particularly controversial about making the rwsem write 
> side perform just as well as mutexes - it would in fact be 
> a very nice quality of implementation feature: it gives 
> people freedom to switch between mutexes and rwsems without 
> having to worry about scalability differences too much.
> 

Sorry for replying to your email late as I was pulled to
some other tasks.

Ingo, any objection if I make the optimistic writer spin the
default for SMP without an extra config? This will make 
the rw_semaphore structure grow a bit to accommodate the
owner and spin_mlock field.

Thanks.

Tim
> Once readers are mixed into the workload can we keep the 
> XFS assumptions, if they are broken in any way?
> 
> We are spinning here so we have full awareness about the 
> state of the lock and we can react to a new reader in very 
> short order - so at a quick glance I don't see any 
> fundamental difficulty in being able to resolve it - beyond 
> the SMOP aspect that is ... :-)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 	Ingo


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  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-05 22:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-13 23:26 Tim Chen
2013-06-19 13:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-19 16:53   ` Tim Chen
2013-06-26  0:19     ` Tim Chen
2013-06-26  9:51       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-26 21:36         ` Tim Chen
2013-06-27  0:25           ` Tim Chen
2013-06-27  8:36             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-27 20:53               ` Tim Chen
2013-06-27 23:31                 ` Tim Chen
2013-06-28  9:38                   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-28 21:04                     ` Tim Chen
2013-06-29  7:12                       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-01 20:28                         ` Tim Chen
2013-07-02  6:45                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 17:53                             ` Tim Chen
2013-07-23  9:45                               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-23  9:51                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-23  9:53                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-30  0:13                                     ` Tim Chen
2013-07-30 19:24                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-08-05 22:08                                         ` Tim Chen [this message]
2013-07-30 19:59                                       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-07-30 20:34                                         ` Tim Chen
2013-07-30 21:45                                           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-08-06 23:55                                       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-08-07  0:56                                         ` Tim Chen
2013-08-12 18:52                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-08-12 20:10                                             ` Tim Chen
2013-06-28  9:20                 ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found] <1371165333.27102.568.camel@schen9-DESK>
     [not found] ` <1371167015.1754.14.camel@buesod1.americas.hpqcorp.net>
2013-06-14 16:09   ` Tim Chen
2013-06-14 22:31     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-14 22:44       ` Tim Chen
2013-06-14 22:47       ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-06-17 22:27         ` Tim Chen
2013-06-16  9:50   ` Alex Shi
2013-06-17 16:22     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-17 18:45       ` Tim Chen
2013-06-17 19:05         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-17 22:28           ` Tim Chen
2013-06-17 23:18         ` Alex Shi
2013-06-17 23:20       ` Alex Shi
2013-06-17 23:35         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-18  0:08           ` Tim Chen
2013-06-19 23:11             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-19 23:24               ` Tim Chen

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