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From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 18/33] autonuma: teach CFS about autonuma affinity
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 08:07:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1349590047.6958.88.camel@marge.simpson.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121006123432.GS6793@redhat.com>

On Sat, 2012-10-06 at 14:34 +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote: 
> Hi Mike,

Greetings,

> On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 04:39:54AM +0200, Mike Galbraith wrote:

> I think you just found a mistake.
> 
> So disabling wake_affine if the wakeup CPU was on a remote NODE (only
> in that case it was turned off), meant sd_affine couldn't be turned on
> and for certain wakeups select_idle_sibling wouldn't run (rendering
> pointless some of my logic in select_idle_sibling).

Well, it still looks a bit bent to me no matter how I tilt my head.

                /*
                 * If both cpu and prev_cpu are part of this domain,
                 * cpu is a valid SD_WAKE_AFFINE target.
                 */
                if (want_affine && (tmp->flags & SD_WAKE_AFFINE) &&
                    cpumask_test_cpu(prev_cpu, sched_domain_span(tmp))) {
                        affine_sd = tmp;
                        want_affine = 0;
                }

Disabling when waker/wakee are cross node makes sense to me as a cycle
saver.  If you have (SMT), MC and NODE domains, waker/wakee are cross
node, spans don't intersect, affine_sd remains NULL, the whole traverse
becomes a waste of cycles.  If WAKE_BALANCE is enabled, we'll do that
instead (which pgbench and ilk should like methinks).

> > I measured the 1 in 1:N pgbench very much preferring mobility.  The N,
> > dunno, but I don't imagine a large benefit for making them sticky
> > either.  Hohum, numbers will tell the tale.
> 
> Mobility on non-NUMA is an entirely different matter than mobility
> across NUMA nodes. Keep in mind there are tons of CPUs intra-node too
> so the mobility intra node may be enough.  But I don't know exactly
> what the mobiltiy requirements of pgbench are so I can't tell for sure
> and I fully agree we should collect numbers.

Yeah, that 1:1 vs 1:N, load meets anti-load thing is kinda interesting.
Tune for one, you may well annihilate the other.  Numbers required.

I think we need to detect and react accordingly.  If that nasty little 1
bugger is doing a lot of work, it's very special, so I don't think you
making him sticky can help any more than me taking away wakeup options..
both remove latency reducing options from a latency dominated load.

But numbers talk, pondering (may = BS) walks, so I'm outta here :)

-Mike

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-07  6:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-03 23:50 [PATCH 00/33] AutoNUMA27 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 01/33] autonuma: add Documentation/vm/autonuma.txt Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 10:50   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-11 16:07     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 19:37       ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 02/33] autonuma: make set_pmd_at always available Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 10:54   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 03/33] autonuma: export is_vma_temporary_stack() even if CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE=n Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 10:54   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 04/33] autonuma: define _PAGE_NUMA Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 11:01   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-11 16:43     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 19:48       ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 05/33] autonuma: pte_numa() and pmd_numa() Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 11:15   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-11 16:58     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 19:54       ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 06/33] autonuma: teach gup_fast about pmd_numa Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 12:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-11 17:05     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 20:01       ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 07/33] autonuma: mm_autonuma and task_autonuma data structures Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 12:28   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-11 15:24     ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-11 15:57       ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-12  0:23       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-12  0:52         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 17:15     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 20:06       ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 08/33] autonuma: define the autonuma flags Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 13:46   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-11 17:34     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 20:17       ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 09/33] autonuma: core autonuma.h header Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 10/33] autonuma: CPU follows memory algorithm Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 14:58   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-12  0:25     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-12  8:29       ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 11/33] autonuma: add the autonuma_last_nid in the page structure Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 12/33] autonuma: Migrate On Fault per NUMA node data Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 15:43   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 13/33] autonuma: autonuma_enter/exit Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 13:50   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 14/33] autonuma: call autonuma_setup_new_exec() Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 15:47   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 15/33] autonuma: alloc/free/init task_autonuma Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 15:53   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-11 17:34     ` Rik van Riel
     [not found]       ` <20121011175953.GT1818@redhat.com>
2012-10-12 14:03         ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 16/33] autonuma: alloc/free/init mm_autonuma Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-03 23:50 ` [PATCH 17/33] autonuma: prevent select_task_rq_fair to return -1 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 18/33] autonuma: teach CFS about autonuma affinity Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-05  6:41   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-10-05 11:54     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-06  2:39       ` Mike Galbraith
2012-10-06 12:34         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-07  6:07           ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2012-10-08  7:03             ` Mike Galbraith
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 19/33] autonuma: memory follows CPU algorithm and task/mm_autonuma stats collection Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-10 22:01   ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-10 22:36     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 18:28   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-13 18:06   ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-10-15  8:24     ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-10-15  9:20       ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-15 10:00         ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 20/33] autonuma: default mempolicy follow AutoNUMA Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-04 20:03   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-10-11 18:32   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 21/33] autonuma: call autonuma_split_huge_page() Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 18:33   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 22/33] autonuma: make khugepaged pte_numa aware Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 18:36   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 23/33] autonuma: retain page last_nid information in khugepaged Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 18:44   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-12 11:37     ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-12 12:35       ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 24/33] autonuma: split_huge_page: transfer the NUMA type from the pmd to the pte Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 18:45   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 25/33] autonuma: numa hinting page faults entry points Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 18:47   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 26/33] autonuma: reset autonuma page data when pages are freed Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 27/33] autonuma: link mm/autonuma.o and kernel/sched/numa.o Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 28/33] autonuma: add CONFIG_AUTONUMA and CONFIG_AUTONUMA_DEFAULT_ENABLED Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 18:50   ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 29/33] autonuma: page_autonuma Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-04 14:16   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-04 20:09   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-10-05 11:31     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 30/33] autonuma: bugcheck page_autonuma fields on newly allocated pages Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 31/33] autonuma: boost khugepaged scanning rate Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 32/33] autonuma: add migrate_allow_first_fault knob in sysfs Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-03 23:51 ` [PATCH 33/33] autonuma: add mm_autonuma working set estimation Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-04 18:39 ` [PATCH 00/33] AutoNUMA27 Andrew Morton
2012-10-04 20:49   ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-05 23:08   ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-05 23:14   ` Andi Kleen
2012-10-05 23:57     ` Tim Chen
2012-10-06  0:11       ` Andi Kleen
2012-10-08 13:44         ` Don Morris
2012-10-08 20:34     ` Rik van Riel
2012-10-11 10:19 ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-11 14:56   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-11 15:35     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-12  0:41       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-12 14:54       ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-11 21:34 ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-12  1:45   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-12  8:46     ` Mel Gorman
2012-10-13 18:40 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-10-14  4:57   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-15  8:16     ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-10-23 16:32     ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-10-16 13:48 ` Mel Gorman

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