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From: Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Righi <arighi@develer.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/18] IO-less dirty throttling v11
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:14:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1315422886.4160.11.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110907133211.GA28442@localhost>

On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 21:32 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote: 
> > Finally, the complete IO-less balance_dirty_pages(). NFS is observed to perform
> > better or worse depending on the memory size. Otherwise the added patches can
> > address all known regressions.
> 
> I find that the NFS performance regressions on large memory system can
> be fixed by this patch. It tries to make the progress more smooth by
> reasonably reducing the commit size.
> 
> Thanks,
> Fengguang
> ---
> Subject: nfs: limit the commit size to reduce fluctuations
> Date: Thu Dec 16 13:22:43 CST 2010
> 
> Limit the commit size to half the dirty control scope, so that the
> arrival of one commit will not knock the overall dirty pages off the
> scope.
> 
> Also limit the commit size to one second worth of data. This will
> obviously help make the pipeline run more smoothly.
> 
> Also change "<=" to "<": if an inode has only one dirty page in the end,
> it should be committed. I wonder why the "<=" didn't cause a bug...
> 
> CC: Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
> Signed-off-by: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
> ---
>  fs/nfs/write.c |    8 ++++++--
>  1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> 
> After patch, there are still drop offs from the control scope,
> 
> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/dirty-throttling-v6/NFS/nfs-1dd-1M-8p-2945M-20%25-2.6.38-rc6-dt6+-2011-02-22-21-09/balance_dirty_pages-pages.png
> 
> due to bursty arrival of commits:
> 
> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/dirty-throttling-v6/NFS/nfs-1dd-1M-8p-2945M-20%25-2.6.38-rc6-dt6+-2011-02-22-21-09/nfs-commit.png
> 
> --- linux-next.orig/fs/nfs/write.c	2011-09-07 21:29:15.000000000 +0800
> +++ linux-next/fs/nfs/write.c	2011-09-07 21:29:32.000000000 +0800
> @@ -1543,10 +1543,14 @@ static int nfs_commit_unstable_pages(str
>  	int ret = 0;
>  
>  	if (wbc->sync_mode == WB_SYNC_NONE) {
> +		unsigned long bw = MIN_WRITEBACK_PAGES +
> +			NFS_SERVER(inode)->backing_dev_info.avg_write_bandwidth;
> +
>  		/* Don't commit yet if this is a non-blocking flush and there
> -		 * are a lot of outstanding writes for this mapping.
> +		 * are a lot of outstanding writes for this mapping, until
> +		 * collected enough pages to commit.
>  		 */
> -		if (nfsi->ncommit <= (nfsi->npages >> 1))
> +		if (nfsi->ncommit < min(nfsi->npages / DIRTY_SCOPE, bw))
>  			goto out_mark_dirty;
>  
>  		/* don't wait for the COMMIT response */

So what goes into the 'avg_write_bandwidth' variable that makes it a
good measure above (why 1 second of data instead of 10 seconds or
1ms, ...)? What is the 'DIRTY_SCOPE' value?

IOW: what new black magic are we introducing above and why is it so
obviously better than what we have (yes, I see you have graphs, but that
is just measuring _one_ NFS setup and workload).

-- 
Trond Myklebust
Linux NFS client maintainer

NetApp
Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com
www.netapp.com

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-09-07 19:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-04  1:53 Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 01/18] writeback: account per-bdi accumulated dirtied pages Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 02/18] writeback: dirty position control Wu Fengguang
2011-09-05 15:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-06  2:10     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-05 15:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-06  2:43     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-06 18:20   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-09-08  2:53     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-11-12  5:44   ` Nai Xia
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 03/18] writeback: dirty rate control Wu Fengguang
2011-09-29 11:57   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 04/18] writeback: stabilize bdi->dirty_ratelimit Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 05/18] writeback: per task dirty rate limit Wu Fengguang
2011-09-06 15:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-06 23:27     ` Jan Kara
2011-09-06 23:34       ` Jan Kara
2011-09-07  7:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-07  1:04     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-07  7:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-07 11:00         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 06/18] writeback: IO-less balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2011-09-06 12:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-07  2:46     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 07/18] writeback: dirty ratelimit - think time compensation Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 08/18] writeback: trace dirty_ratelimit Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 09/18] writeback: trace balance_dirty_pages Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 10/18] writeback: dirty position control - bdi reserve area Wu Fengguang
2011-09-06 14:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-07 12:31     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-12 10:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-18 14:17         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-18 14:37           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-18 14:47             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-28 14:02               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-28 14:50                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-29  3:32                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-29  8:49                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-29 11:05                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-29 12:15                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 11/18] block: add bdi flag to indicate risk of io queue underrun Wu Fengguang
2011-09-06 14:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-07  2:37     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-07  7:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 12/18] writeback: balanced_rate cannot exceed write bandwidth Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 13/18] writeback: limit max dirty pause time Wu Fengguang
2011-09-06 14:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-07  2:35     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-12 10:22       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-18 14:23         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 14/18] writeback: control " Wu Fengguang
2011-09-06 15:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-07  2:02     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-12 10:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 15/18] writeback: charge leaked page dirties to active tasks Wu Fengguang
2011-09-06 16:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-07  9:06     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-07  0:17   ` Jan Kara
2011-09-07  9:37     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 16/18] writeback: fix dirtied pages accounting on sub-page writes Wu Fengguang
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 17/18] writeback: fix dirtied pages accounting on redirty Wu Fengguang
2011-09-06 16:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-07  0:22     ` Jan Kara
2011-09-07  1:18       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-07  6:56       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-09-07  8:19         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-07 16:42           ` Jan Kara
2011-09-07 16:46             ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-09-08  8:51               ` Steven Whitehouse
2011-09-04  1:53 ` [PATCH 18/18] btrfs: fix dirtied pages accounting on sub-page writes Wu Fengguang
2011-09-07 13:32 ` [PATCH 00/18] IO-less dirty throttling v11 Wu Fengguang
2011-09-07 19:14   ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2011-09-28 14:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-09-29  4:11   ` Wu Fengguang

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