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There are ways to have it working internally, just using a different "scale" instead of the 100 -> 50 -> 25 etc. I am afraid we cannot change the parameter to ignore other values because of the interaction with the shrinker that easily .... we might be able to detracted at wait a bunch of kernel releases probably. -- Cheers David / dhildenb