From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>,
Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Gavin Guo <gavinguo@igalia.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] mm,hugetlb: Document the reason to lock the folio in the faulting path
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:41:20 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1297fdd5-3de2-45bc-b146-e14061643fee@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aFAlupvoJ_w7jCIU@localhost.localdomain>
On 16.06.25 16:10, Oscar Salvador wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2025 at 11:22:43AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>
>> hugetlb_fault->hugetlb_no_page->hugetlb_wp
>>
>> already *mapped* the pagecache page into the page table.
>>
>> See
>> if (anon_rmap)
>> hugetlb_add_new_anon_rmap(folio, vma, vmf->address);
>> else
>> hugetlb_add_file_rmap(folio);
>>
>> So at that point it would be "stable" unless I am missing something?
>>
>> So once we are in hugetlb_wp(), that path much rather corresponds to
>> do_wp_page()->wp_page_copy.
>
> Yes, that's right.
> That's something I've been thinking over the weekend.
>
> E.g: do_cow_fault, first copies the page from the pagecache to a new one
> and __then__ maps the that page into the page tables.
> While in hugetlb_no_page->hugetlb_wp, the workflow is a bit different.
>
> We first map it and then we copy it if we need to.
>
> What do you mean by stable?
The same "stable" you used in the doc, that I complained about ;)
> In the generic faulting path, we're not worried about the page going away
> because we hold a reference, so I guess the lock must be to keep content stable?
What you want to avoid is IIRC, is someone doing a truncation/reclaim on
the folio while you are mapping it.
Take a look at truncate_inode_pages_range() where we do a folio_lock()
around truncate_inode_folio().
In other words, while you hold the folio lock (and verified that the
folio was not truncated yet: for example, that folio->mapping is still
set), you know that it cannot get truncated concurrently -- without
holding other expensive locks.
Observe how truncate_cleanup_folio() calls
if (folio_mapped(folio))
unmap_mapping_folio(folio);
To remove all page table mappings.
So while holding the folio lock, new page table mappings are not
expected to appear (IIRC).
>
> I mean, yes, after we have mapped the page privately into the pagetables,
> we don't have business about content-integrity anymore, so given this rule, yes,
> I guess hugetlb_wp() wouldn't need the lock (for !anonymous) because we already
> have mapped it privately at that point.
That's my understanding. And while holding the PTL it cannot get
unmapped. Whenever you temporarily drop the PTL, you have to do a
pte_same() check to make sure concurrent truncation didn't happen.
So far my understanding at least of common filemap code.
>
> But there's something I don't fully understand and makes me feel uneasy.
> If the lock in the generic faultin path is to keep content stable till we
> have mapped it privately, wouldn't be more correct to also hold it
> during the copy in hugetlb_wp, to kinda emulate that?
As long there us a page table mapping, it cannot get truncated. So if
you find a PTE under PTL that maps that folio, truncation could not have
happened.
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-16 14:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-12 13:46 [PATCH 0/5] Misc rework on hugetlb_fault Oscar Salvador
2025-06-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm,hugetlb: Change mechanism to detect a COW on private mapping Oscar Salvador
2025-06-13 13:52 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm,hugetlb: Document the reason to lock the folio in the faulting path Oscar Salvador
2025-06-13 13:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-13 14:23 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-13 19:57 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-13 21:47 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-14 9:07 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-16 9:22 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 14:10 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-16 14:41 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-06-17 10:03 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-17 11:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 12:04 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-17 12:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 12:10 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-17 12:50 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-17 13:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 14:00 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-19 11:52 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm,hugetlb: Conver anon_rmap into boolean Oscar Salvador
2025-06-13 13:48 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12 13:47 ` [PATCH 4/5] mm,hugetlb: Drop obsolete comment about non-present pte and second faults Oscar Salvador
2025-06-12 13:47 ` [PATCH 5/5] mm,hugetlb: Drop unlikelys from hugetlb_fault Oscar Salvador
2025-06-13 8:55 ` [PATCH 0/5] Misc rework on hugetlb_fault Oscar Salvador
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