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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-stable@vger.kernel.org,
	Vivek Kasireddy <vivek.kasireddy@intel.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	Dongwon Kim <dongwon.kim@intel.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Junxiao Chang <junxiao.chang@intel.com>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/gup: restore the ability to pin more than 2GB at a time
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:50:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <128d04dd-2d48-4a98-8537-49589b4db1c3@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r07yp0ng.fsf@nvdebian.thelocal>

On 10/29/24 11:18 PM, Alistair Popple wrote:
> John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> writes:
>> On 10/29/24 9:42 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 09:39:15PM -0700, John Hubbard wrote:
...
>>> Because pinning down these amounts of memoryt is completely insane.
>>> I don't mind the switch to kvmalloc, but we need to put in an upper
>>> bound of what can be pinned.
>>
>> I'm wondering though, how it is that we decide how much of the user's
>> system we prevent them from using? :)  People with hardware accelerators
>> do not always have page fault capability, and yet these troublesome
>> users insist on stacking their system full of DRAM and then pointing
>> the accelerator to it.
>>
>> How would we choose a value? Memory sizes keep going up...
> 
> The obvious answer is you let users decide. I did have a patch series to
> do that via a cgroup[1]. However I dropped that series mostly because I
> couldn't find any users of such a limit to provide feedback on how they
> would use it or how they wanted it to work.
> 

Trawling through the discussion there, I see that Jason Gunthorpe mentioned:

"Things like VFIO & KVM use cases effectively pin 90% of all system memory"

...which means that we'll be able to get that in-tree call trace that 
Christoph
is asking for, pretty soon. No GPUs required. :)


thanks,
-- 
John Hubbard

> - Alistair
> 
> [1] - https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/cover.c238416f0e82377b449846dbb2459ae9d7030c8e.1675669136.git-series.apopple@nvidia.com/
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-30  6:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-30  3:01 John Hubbard
2024-10-30  4:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30  4:30   ` John Hubbard
2024-10-30  4:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30  4:39       ` John Hubbard
2024-10-30  4:42         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-30  4:44           ` John Hubbard
2024-10-30  6:18             ` Alistair Popple
2024-10-30  6:50               ` John Hubbard [this message]
2024-10-30  8:34                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-30  9:01                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-30 18:34                     ` John Hubbard
2024-10-31  0:02                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-31  0:17                         ` John Hubbard
2024-10-31  0:25                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-31  0:47                             ` John Hubbard
2024-10-30 12:04                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-30 17:25                     ` John Hubbard
2024-10-30 11:59           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-30 11:03         ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-30 17:29           ` John Hubbard
2024-10-30 17:42             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-30 17:49               ` John Hubbard

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