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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rfc] SLOB memory ordering issue
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:19:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1224094753.3316.266.camel@calx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200810160512.28443.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 05:12 +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Thursday 16 October 2008 05:03, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > > What do you mean by the allocation is stable?
> >
> > "all writes done to it before it's exposed".
> >
> > > 2. I think it could be easy to assume that the allocated object that was
> > > initialised with a ctor for us already will have its initializing stores
> > > ordered when we get it from slab.
> >
> > You make tons of assumptions.
> >
> > You assume that
> >  (a) unlocked accesses are the normal case and should be something the
> >      allocator should prioritize/care about.
> >  (b) that if you have a ctor, it's the only thing the allocator will do.
> 
> Yes, as I said, I do not want to add a branch and/or barrier to the
> allocator for this. I just want to flag the issue and discuss whether
> there is anything that can be done about it.

Well the alternative is to have someone really smart investigate all the
lockless users of ctors and add appropriate barriers. I suspect that's a
fairly small set and that you're already familiar with most of them.

But yes, I think you may be on to a real problem. It might also be worth
devoting a few neurons to thinking about zeroed allocations.

-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-15 18:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-15 16:34 Nick Piggin
2008-10-15 16:46 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-15 16:54 ` Matt Mackall
2008-10-15 17:10   ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-15 17:33     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-15 17:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-15 17:58         ` Matt Mackall
2008-10-15 17:45       ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-15 18:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-15 18:12           ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-15 18:19             ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2008-10-15 18:35               ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-15 18:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-15 19:19                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-15 19:47                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-15 18:29             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-15 18:06     ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-15 18:26       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-15 18:50         ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-17 20:29       ` Linus Torvalds

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