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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	hugh@veritas.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com, mchan@broadcom.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [bug?] tg3: Failed to load firmware "tigon/tg3_tso.bin"
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:37:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1215182256.10393.805.camel@pmac.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080704143058.GB23215@mit.edu>

On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 10:30 -0400, Theodore Tso wrote:
> HOWEVER, as I mentioned in another message, it looks like not all
> forms of mkinitd and/or mkinitramfs scripts deal with /lib/firmware
> correctly, including the one used by the latest version of Ubuntu.
> That to me is a strong argument for either (a) leaving drivers the way
> they are now, or (b) making the new request_firmware() framework be
> able to place the firemware in either the original driver module, or
> in another tg3_firmware.ko module --- which could be unloaded
> afterwards, if people really cared about the non-swappable kernel
> memory being used up.)

Yeah. I had checked that Ubuntu and Fedora _do_ cope with including
firmware in the kernel, but wasn't expecting that Ubuntu would then go
screw it up.

As I said, it's not _impossible_ to include firmware directly in the
module itself; it should just be a case of adding an additional section
like it was in the kernel too, and handling some lifetime issues.

If Ubuntu (and SuSE) are currently shipping broken initramfs tools, then
that may tip the balance from that being unnecessary complexity to
something we should probably do for the short term. Even though they're
_already_ broken, and we're only really taking it from "broken for 70
drivers in initramfs" to "broken for 90 drivers in initramfs". Or
whatever the numbers are. Admittedly I just made those ones up.

> And this is where we pay the price for not having a standard initrd
> generation (with appropriate hooks so that distros could drop in their
> own enhancements) as part of the kernel build process.  If we did, it
> would be a lot easier to make sure all distro's learn about new
> requirements that we have imposed on the initrd.  Because we haven't,
> initrd's are effectively part of the "exported interface" where we
> have to move slowly enough so that distro's can catch up depending on
> their release schedule.  (It also makes it much harder to run a
> bleeding-edge kernel on a release distro system, at least without
> tieing our hands with respect to changes involving the initrd.)

Yeah, you're probably right.

-- 
dwmw2

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-04 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-03  9:02 2.6.26-rc8-mm1 Andrew Morton
2008-07-03 11:22 ` [BUILD-FAILURE] 2.6.26-rc8-mm1 - build failure at drivers/char/hvc_rtas.c Kamalesh Babulal
2008-07-03 11:59 ` [bug?] tg3: Failed to load firmware "tigon/tg3_tso.bin" KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-07-03 12:21   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-03 13:04     ` Hugh Dickins
2008-07-03 13:11       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-03 13:33         ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-03 13:38           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-03 13:52             ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-03 17:30               ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-03 18:56                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-03 19:31                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-07-03 19:49                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-03 20:52                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-03 21:03                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-03 21:33                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-03 21:42                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-03 21:43                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-03 21:52                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-03 21:54                             ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-03 22:27                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-03 22:22                       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-03 22:25                         ` Alan Cox
2008-07-03 23:14                           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-03 23:02                             ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04  2:31                           ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-07-03 23:21                   ` David Miller, David Woodhouse
2008-07-04  0:18                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-04  1:09                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04  1:47                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-04  0:24                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04  1:28                       ` Grant Coady
2008-07-04  2:42                       ` david
2008-07-04 10:07                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 10:09                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-04 13:10                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 13:15                           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-04 13:27                             ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 13:39                               ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-04 13:27                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 13:48                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 14:06                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-04 20:43                                   ` David Miller, Alan Cox
2008-07-04 21:04                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-07-06 20:17                                       ` david
2008-07-06 20:27                                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-06 20:51                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-06 20:52                                           ` david
2008-07-06 20:56                                             ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-06 21:03                                               ` david
2008-07-06 21:38                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-06 22:10                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-06 23:22                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-05  6:05                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-07 17:52                                     ` Rick Jones
2008-07-04 13:46                                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 14:07                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-04 14:38                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-07-06 23:40                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-07 15:53                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-07-07 17:24                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-07 18:13                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-07-07 18:57                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-07 18:30                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-07 19:16                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-07 18:45                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-07-07 19:48                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-07 20:48                                                   ` David Miller, Alan Cox
2008-07-07 20:42                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-07-07 21:45                                                       ` David Miller, Alan Cox
2008-07-07 21:14                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-07-07 21:58                                                           ` David Miller, Alan Cox
2008-07-08  6:36                                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-07-08  8:57                                                               ` David Miller, Alan Cox
2008-07-04 14:30                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-04 14:37                                   ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2008-07-04 18:01                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 20:28                                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-07-05  4:35                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-04 20:39                                 ` David Miller, Jeff Garzik
2008-07-04 14:10                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-04 14:23                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-07-04 14:39                                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2008-07-04 14:42                                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 21:34                                       ` Grant Coady
2008-07-04 22:08                                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 23:13                                       ` Olivier Galibert
2008-07-04 23:58                                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-07-05  0:51                                           ` Trent Piepho
2008-07-05  3:52                                             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-07-05  6:01                                               ` Bill Fink
2008-07-05 13:08                                                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-07-05  4:10                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-05  7:41                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2008-07-05  8:50                                           ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-05 10:53                                           ` Olivier Galibert
2008-07-05 11:22                                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 12:02                                               ` Olivier Galibert
2008-07-05 12:09                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 12:16                                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-05 12:23                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 12:42                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-05 13:57                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 14:44                                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2008-07-05 15:10                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-05 17:13                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-05 20:55                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-06 10:02                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-06 10:55                                                           ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-06 11:50                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-06 12:22                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 14:44                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-07-04 14:24                                 ` maximilian attems
2008-07-04 14:36                                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-05 10:26                                     ` maximilian attems
2008-07-04 14:31                                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 20:37                               ` David Miller, David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 20:42                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-04 20:43                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 20:52                                     ` David Miller, David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 21:05                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-05  4:05                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-07-04 20:51                                   ` David Miller, Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-04 20:59                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-04 21:12                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 21:10                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 20:53                                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-05  4:04                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-04 13:42                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-03 20:34         ` David Miller, Jeff Garzik
2008-07-03 20:54           ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-09 20:43             ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-07-04 11:06       ` Takashi Iwai
2008-07-04 13:17         ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 13:26           ` Takashi Iwai
2008-07-04 13:28             ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 13:42             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-04 13:45               ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-04 14:10                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-04 14:13                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-05  6:14                     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-04 13:28           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-03 16:10   ` Chuck Lever
2008-07-03 14:26 ` WARNING at acpi/.../utmisc.c:1043 [Was: 2.6.26-rc8-mm1] Jiri Slaby
2008-07-03 14:38   ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-03 15:24     ` Jiri Slaby
2008-07-03 23:35 ` 2.6.26-rc8-mm1--No e100 :( logs say missing formware Grant Coady
2008-07-04  0:40   ` Andrew Morton
2008-07-03 23:42 ` 2.6.26-rc8-mm1--No e100 :( logs say missing firmware Grant Coady
2008-07-04  2:48 ` Question: split-lur // Re: 2.6.26-rc8-mm1 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-07-04  9:02 ` memcg: lru scan fix (Was: 2.6.26-rc8-mm1 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-07-04 19:16   ` Rik van Riel
2008-07-04 19:24     ` Andrew Morton
2008-07-05  3:59       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-07-04  9:09 ` [PATCH] memcg: handle shmem's swap cache (Was 2.6.26-rc8-mm1 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-07-05  5:41   ` Balbir Singh
2008-07-05  6:11     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-07-05  6:49       ` Balbir Singh
2008-07-05  8:16       ` kamezawa.hiroyu
2008-07-04 22:49 ` 2.6.26-rc8-mm1: unable to mount nfs shares Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-07-04 23:07   ` Andrew Morton
2008-07-08 14:42 ` [BUG] 2.6.26-rc8-mm1 - sleeping function called from invalid context at include/linux/pagemap.h:291 Kamalesh Babulal
2008-07-12  7:15   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-07-09 21:33 ` 2.6.26-rc8-mm1 - Missing AC97 power save Kconfig? Zan Lynx
2008-07-09 22:05   ` Randy Dunlap
2008-07-09 22:34     ` Zan Lynx
2008-07-05  5:49 [bug?] tg3: Failed to load firmware "tigon/tg3_tso.bin" Jaswinder Singh
2008-07-05  6:37 Jaswinder Singh

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