From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
miklos@szeredi.hu, neilb@suse.de, dgc@sgi.com,
tomoki.sekiyama.qu@hitachi.com, nikita@clusterfs.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/12] mm: remove throttle_vm_writeback
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:42:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1190839350.18147.28.camel@lappy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070405154440.0f42fa9f.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 15:44 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:42:18 +0200
> root@programming.kicks-ass.net wrote:
>
> > rely on accurate dirty page accounting to provide enough push back
>
> I think we'd like to see a bit more justification than that, please.
it should read like this:
for ( ; ; ) {
get_dirty_limits(&background_thresh, &dirty_thresh, NULL, NULL);
/*
* Boost the allowable dirty threshold a bit for page
* allocators so they don't get DoS'ed by heavy writers
*/
dirty_thresh += dirty_thresh / 10; /* wheeee... */
if (global_page_state(NR_FILE_DIRTY) +
global_page_state(NR_UNSTABLE_NFS) +
global_page_state(NR_WRITEBACK) <= dirty_thresh)
break;
congestion_wait(WRITE, HZ/10);
}
[ note the extra NR_FILE_DIRTY ]
now, balance_dirty_pages() is there to ensure:
nr_dirty + nr_unstable + nr_writeback < dirty_thresh (1)
reclaim will (with the introduction of dirty page tracking) never
generate dirty pages, so the only disturbance of that equation is an
increase in nr_writeback.
[ pageout() sets wbc.for_reclaim=1, so NFS traffic will not generate
unstable pages ]
So, what throttle_vm_writeout() does is limit the number of added
writeback pages to 10% of the total limit.
pageout() seems to avoid stuffing pages down a congested bdi
(TODO: has details), along with the much smaller io-queues, the initial
purpose of this function - which was to avoid all memory getting stuck
in io-queues - seems to be handled.
Now the problems...
Trouble is that it currently does not take nr_dirty into account which
in the worst case limits it to 110% of the limit.
Also, I'm seeing (2.6.23-rc8-mm1) live-locks in throttle_vm_writeback()
where nr_dirty + nr_unstable > thresh - which according to (1) should
not happen, and will not change without explicit action.
Hmm maybe the 10% is < nr_cpus * ratelimit_pages.
2 cpus, mem=128M -> ratelimit_pages ~ 512
threshold ~ 1500
so indeed: 150 < 1024.
Still not conclusive but at least getting somewhere.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-09-26 20:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-05 17:42 [PATCH 00/12] per device dirty throttling -v3 root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 01/12] nfs: remove congestion_end() root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 02/12] mm: scalable bdi statistics counters root
2007-04-05 22:37 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 7:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 03/12] mm: count dirty pages per BDI root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 04/12] mm: count writeback " root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 05/12] mm: count unstable " root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 06/12] mm: expose BDI statistics in sysfs root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 07/12] mm: per device dirty threshold root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 08/12] mm: fixup possible deadlock root
2007-04-05 22:43 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 09/12] mm: remove throttle_vm_writeback root
2007-04-05 22:44 ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-26 20:42 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 10/12] mm: page_alloc_wait root
2007-04-05 22:57 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 6:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 11/12] mm: accurate pageout congestion wait root
2007-04-05 23:17 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 6:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 12/12] mm: per BDI congestion feedback root
2007-04-05 23:24 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 7:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-06 11:00 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 11:10 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-05 17:47 ` [PATCH 00/12] per device dirty throttling -v3 Peter Zijlstra
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