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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, dkegel@google.com,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/9] Use NOMEMALLOC reclaim to allow reclaim if PF_MEMALLOC is set
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:17:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1187641056.5337.32.camel@lappy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708201158270.28863@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 12:00 -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007, Pavel Machek wrote:
> 
> > > The reclaim is of particular important to stacked filesystems that may
> > > do a lot of allocations in the write path. Reclaim will be working
> > > as long as there are clean file backed pages to reclaim.
> > 
> > I don't get it. Lets say that we have stacked filesystem that needs
> > it. That filesystem is broken today.
> > 
> > Now you give it second chance by reclaiming clean pages, but there are
> > no guarantees that we have any.... so that filesystem is still broken
> > with your patch...?
> 
> There is a guarantee that we have some because the user space program is 
> executing. Meaning the executable pages can be retrieved. The amount 
> dirty memory in the system is limited by the dirty_ratio. So the VM can 
> only get into trouble if there is a sufficient amount of anonymous pages 
> and all executables have been reclaimed. That is pretty rare.
> 
> Plus the same issue can happen today. Writes are usually not completed 
> during reclaim. If the writes are sufficiently deferred then you have the 
> same issue now.

Once we have initiated (disk) writeout we do not need more memory to
complete it, all we need to do is wait for the completion interrupt.

Networking is different here in that an unbounded amount of net traffic
needs to be processed in order to find the completion event.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-20 20:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-14 15:30 [RFC 0/9] Reclaim during GFP_ATOMIC allocs Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 1/9] Allow reclaim via __GFP_NOMEMALLOC reclaim Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 2/9] Use NOMEMALLOC reclaim to allow reclaim if PF_MEMALLOC is set Christoph Lameter
2007-08-18  7:10   ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-20 19:00     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20 20:17       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2007-08-20 20:27         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20 21:14           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20 21:17             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-21 14:07               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-21  0:39             ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-21 14:07               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-23  3:38                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-23  9:26                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-23 10:11                     ` Nikita Danilov
2007-08-23 13:58                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-24  4:00                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 3/9] Make cond_rescheds conditional on __GFP_WAIT Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 4/9] Atomic reclaim: Save irq flags in vmscan.c Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 20:02   ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 19:12     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 20:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-14 20:34         ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 20:33       ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 20:42         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 20:44           ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 21:15             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 21:23               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 21:26                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 21:29                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 21:37                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 21:44                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 21:48                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 21:56                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 22:07                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 22:16                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 22:20                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 22:21                                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14 22:41                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 5/9] Save irqflags on taking the mapping lock Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 6/9] Disable irqs on taking the private_lock Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 7/9] Save flags in swap.c Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 8/9] Reclaim on an atomic allocation if necessary Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 15:30 ` [RFC 9/9] Testing: Perform GFP_ATOMIC overallocation Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  2:49 ` [RFC 0/9] Reclaim during GFP_ATOMIC allocs Nick Piggin
2007-08-16 20:24   ` Christoph Lameter

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