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From: Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, ak@suse.de,
	Nishanth Aravamudan <nacc@us.ibm.com>,
	pj@sgi.com, kxr@sgi.com, Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Eric Whitney <eric.whitney@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC/WIP]  cpuset-independent interleave policy
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:04:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1186088655.5040.115.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708021326320.9795@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 13:34 -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Lee Schermerhorn wrote:
> 
> > This patch introduces a cpuset-independent interleave policy that will
> > work in shared policies applied to shared memory segments attached by
> > tasks in disjoint cpusets.  The cpuset-independent policy effectively
> > says "interleave across all valid nodes in the context where page
> > allocation occurs."
> 
> In order to make this work across policies you also need to have context 
> indepedent MPOL_BIND right?

Yeah.  That one's trickier, I think...

> 
> AFAICT we would need something like relative node numbers to make this 
> work across all policy types?
> 
> Maybe treat the nodemask as a nodemask relative to the nodes of the cpuset
> (or other constraint) if a certain flag is set? Nodes that go beyond the 
> end of the allowed nodes in a certain context wrap around to the first 
> again?

One could expose the "MPOL_CONTEXT" flag via the API, but then a task
might have a mix of policy types.  Maybe a per cpuset control to enable
relative node ids?  [see below re: translating policies...]

> 
> 
> E.g. if you have a cpuset with nodes
> 
>  2 5 7
> 
> Then a relative nodemask [0] would refer to node 2. [1] to node 5 and [3] 
> to node 7. [0-2] would be referring to all. [0-7] would map to multiple 
> nodes.
> 
> So you could specify a relative interleave policy on [0-MAX_NUMNODES] and 
> it would disperse it evenly across the allowed nodes regardless of the 
> cpuset that the policy is being used in?

Yeah, but if the # nodes in the node mask aren't a multiple of the # of
memory nodes in the cpuset, you might get more pages on one or more
nodes.

> 
> If we had this then we may be able to avoid translating memory policies 
> while migrating processes from cpuset to cpuset. Paul and I talked about 
> this a couple of times in the past.

I recall that the initial "CpuMemSets" proposal had something like this.
I haven't thought about cpuset relative node ids enough to start to
understand the performance implications of doing the translation.

You might still want to do the translation, but only in the
current->mems_allowed mask.  If we had a per cpuset control [all
policies have absolute or relative node ids], you wouldn't have to look
at the task policy and all of the vma policies in the relative node id
case, since basically, all node masks would be valid

I'll continue to investigate this, as time permits.  And, maybe we'll
hear from Paul when he gets back from vacation.

> 
> Doing so would fix one of the issues with "memory based" object policies. 
> However, there will still be the case where the policy desired for one 
> memory area be node local and or interleave depending on the cpuset.

Yeah, still got a ways to go, huh?  Anyway, I wanted to start folks
thinking about it.

Lee

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-02 21:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-27 19:43 [PATCH 00/14] NUMA: Memoryless node support V4 Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:43 ` [PATCH 01/14] NUMA: Generic management of nodemasks for various purposes Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-30 21:38   ` [PATCH/RFC] 2.6.23-rc1-mm1: MPOL_PREFERRED fixups for preferred_node < 0 Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-30 22:00     ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-31 15:32       ` Mel Gorman
2007-07-31 15:58         ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-31 21:05     ` [PATCH/RFC] 2.6.23-rc1-mm1: MPOL_PREFERRED fixups for preferred_node < 0 - v2 Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-01  2:22   ` [PATCH 01/14] NUMA: Generic management of nodemasks for various purposes Andrew Morton
2007-08-01  2:52     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-01  3:05       ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-01  3:14         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-01  3:32           ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-01  3:37             ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707312151400.2894@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>
2007-08-01  5:07               ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-01  5:11                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-01  5:22                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-01 10:24                   ` Mel Gorman
2007-08-02 16:23                   ` Mel Gorman
2007-08-02 20:00                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-01  5:36             ` Paul Mundt
2007-08-01  9:19             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 14:03             ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-01 17:41               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-01 17:54                 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-02 20:05                 ` [PATCH/RFC/WIP] cpuset-independent interleave policy Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-02 20:34                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-02 21:04                     ` Lee Schermerhorn [this message]
2007-08-03  0:31                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-02 20:19                 ` Audit of "all uses of node_online()" Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-02 20:26                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08 22:19                     ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-08 23:40                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16 14:17                         ` [PATCH/RFC] memoryless nodes - fixup uses of node_online_map in generic code Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-16 18:33                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16 19:15                             ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-16 21:10                         ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-16 21:13                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-24 16:09                         ` [PATCH] 2.6.23-rc3-mm1 - Move setup of N_CPU node state mask Lee Schermerhorn
2007-09-06 13:56                           ` Mel Gorman
2007-08-02 20:33                   ` Audit of "all uses of node_online()" Andrew Morton
2007-08-02 20:45                     ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-01 15:58           ` [PATCH 01/14] NUMA: Generic management of nodemasks for various purposes Nishanth Aravamudan
2007-08-01 16:09             ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2007-08-01 17:47             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-01 15:25         ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2007-07-27 19:43 ` [PATCH 02/14] Memoryless nodes: introduce mask of nodes with memory Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:43 ` [PATCH 03/14] Memoryless Nodes: Fix interleave behavior Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:43 ` [PATCH 04/14] OOM: use the N_MEMORY map instead of constructing one on the fly Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:43 ` [PATCH 05/14] Memoryless Nodes: No need for kswapd Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:43 ` [PATCH 06/14] Memoryless Node: Slab support Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:44 ` [PATCH 07/14] Memoryless nodes: SLUB support Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:44 ` [PATCH 08/14] Uncached allocator: Handle memoryless nodes Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:44 ` [PATCH 09/14] Memoryless node: Allow profiling data to fall back to other nodes Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:44 ` [PATCH 10/14] Memoryless nodes: Update memory policy and page migration Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:44 ` [PATCH 11/14] Add N_CPU node state Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:44 ` [PATCH 12/14] Memoryless nodes: Fix GFP_THISNODE behavior Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:44 ` [PATCH 13/14] Memoryless Nodes: use "node_memory_map" for cpusets Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 19:44 ` [PATCH 14/14] Memoryless nodes: drop one memoryless node boot warning Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-27 20:59 ` [PATCH 00/14] NUMA: Memoryless node support V4 Nishanth Aravamudan
2007-07-30 13:48   ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-29 12:35 ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-30 16:07   ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-30 18:56     ` Paul Jackson
2007-07-30 21:19 ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2007-07-30 22:06   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-30 22:35     ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-30 22:36       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31 23:18         ` Nishanth Aravamudan

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