From: Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>
To: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, ak@suse.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document Linux Memory Policy
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:22:42 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1180642962.5091.192.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070531122544.fd561de4.pj@sgi.com>
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 12:25 -0700, Paul Jackson wrote:
> > They have to since they may be used to change page locations when policies
> > are active. There is a libcpuset library that can be used for application
> > control of cpusets. I think Paul would disagree with you here.
>
> In the most common usage, a batch scheduler uses cpusets to control
> a jobs memory and placement, and application code within the job uses
> the memory policy calls (mbind, set_mempolicy) and scheduler policy
> call (set_schedaffinity) to manage its detailed placement.
>
<snip>
Paul: Excellent writeup. Thanks. No disrespect implied by the <snip>.
>
> Unfortunately there are a couple of details that leak through:
> 1) big apps using scheduler and memory policy calls often want to
> know how "big" their machine is, which changes under cpusets
> from the physical size of the system, and
> 2) the sched_setaffinity, mbind and set_mempolicy calls take hard
> physical CPU and Memory Node numbers, which change under migration
> non-transparently.
>
> Therefore I have in libcpuset two kinds of routines:
> 1) a large powerful set used by heavy weight batch schedulers to
> provide sophisticated job placement, and
> 2) a small simple set used by applications that provide an interface
> to sched_setaffinity, mbind and set_mempolicy that is virtualized
> to the cpuset, providing cpuset relative CPU and Memory Node
> numbering and cpuset relative sizes, safely usable from an
> application across a migration to different nodes, without
> application awareness.
>
> The ancient, Linux 2.4 kernel based, libcpuset on oss.sgi.com is
> really ancient and not relevant here. The cpuset mechanism in
> Linux 2.6 is a complete redesign from SGI's cpumemset mechanism
> for Linux 2.4 kernels.
I saw this one on the site and it did appear quite old. I haven't come
across libcpuset "in the wild" yet, but I like the notion of cpuset
relative ids ["container namespaces"?]. I'd also be happy if things
like numa_membind() in libnuma returned just the available mems, hard
physical ids and all.
>
> SGI releases libcpuset under GPL license, though currently I've just
> set this up for customers of SGI's software. Someday I hope to get
> the current libcpuset up on oss.sgi.com, for all to use.
I'll be looking for it...
Thanks, again
Lee
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-31 20:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-29 19:33 Lee Schermerhorn
2007-05-29 20:04 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-29 20:16 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-30 16:17 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-05-30 17:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-31 8:20 ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-05-31 14:49 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-05-31 15:56 ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-06-01 21:15 ` [PATCH] enhance memory policy sys call man pages v1 Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-23 6:11 ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-07-23 6:32 ` mbind.2 man page patch Michael Kerrisk
2007-07-23 14:26 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-26 17:19 ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-07-26 18:06 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-26 18:18 ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-07-23 6:32 ` get_mempolicy.2 " Michael Kerrisk
2007-07-28 9:31 ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-08-09 18:43 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-09 20:57 ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-08-16 20:05 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-18 5:50 ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-08-21 15:45 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-22 4:10 ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-08-22 16:08 ` [PATCH] Mempolicy Man Pages 2.64 1/3 - mbind.2 Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-27 11:29 ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-08-22 16:10 ` [PATCH] Mempolicy Man Pages 2.64 2/3 - set_mempolicy.2 Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-27 11:30 ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-08-22 16:12 ` [PATCH] Mempolicy Man Pages 2.64 3/3 - get_mempolicy.2 Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-27 11:30 ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-08-27 10:46 ` get_mempolicy.2 man page patch Michael Kerrisk
2007-07-23 6:33 ` set_mempolicy.2 " Michael Kerrisk
2007-05-30 16:55 ` [PATCH] Document Linux Memory Policy Lee Schermerhorn
2007-05-30 17:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-31 6:18 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-05-31 6:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-31 6:47 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-05-31 6:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-31 7:11 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-05-31 7:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-31 7:39 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-05-31 17:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-31 17:07 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-05-31 10:43 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-31 11:04 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-05-31 11:30 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-05-31 15:26 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-05-31 17:41 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-05-31 18:56 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-05-31 20:06 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-05-31 20:43 ` Andi Kleen
2007-06-01 9:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-06-01 10:21 ` Andi Kleen
2007-06-01 12:25 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-06-01 13:09 ` Andi Kleen
2007-06-01 17:15 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-06-01 18:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-01 19:38 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-06-01 19:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-01 21:05 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-06-01 21:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-04 13:46 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-06-04 16:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-04 17:02 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-06-04 17:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-04 20:23 ` Andi Kleen
2007-06-04 21:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-05 14:30 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-06-01 20:28 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-06-01 20:45 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-01 21:10 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-06-01 21:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-06-02 7:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-05-31 11:47 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-31 11:59 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-05-31 12:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-31 12:18 ` Gleb Natapov
2007-05-31 18:28 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-05-31 18:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-31 19:29 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-05-31 19:25 ` Paul Jackson
2007-05-31 20:22 ` Lee Schermerhorn [this message]
2007-05-29 20:07 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-30 16:04 ` Lee Schermerhorn
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