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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Andy Whitcroft <apw@shadowen.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: Page allocator: Single Zone optimizations
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:48:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1162558085.26989.17.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611021345140.9877@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 13:52 -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Mel Gorman wrote:
> 
> > Ok... list-based anti-frag identified three types of pages. From the leading
> > mail;
> > 
> > EasyReclaimable - These are userspace pages that are easily reclaimable. This
> >         flag is set when it is known that the pages will be trivially
> > reclaimed
> >         by writing the page out to swap or syncing with backing storage
> > 
> > KernelReclaimable - These are allocations for some kernel caches that are
> >         reclaimable or allocations that are known to be very short-lived.
> > 
> > KernelNonReclaimable - These are pages that are allocated by the kernel that
> >         are not trivially reclaimed. For example, the memory allocated for a
> >         loaded module would be in this category. By default, allocations are
> >         considered to be of this type
> > 
> > The EasyReclaimable and KernelReclaimable allocations are marked with __GFP
> > flags.
> > 
> > Now, you want to separate pages according to movable and unmovable. Broadly
> > speaking, EasyReclaimable == Movable and
> > KernelReclaimable+KernelNonReclaimable == Non-Movable. However, while
> > KernelReclaimable are Non-Movable, they can be reclaimed by purging caches.
> > So, if we redefined the three terms to be Movable, Reclaimable and
> > Non-Movable, you get the separation you are looking for at least within a
> > MAX_ORDER_NR_PAGES.
> 
> I think talking about reclaim here is not what you want. 

I think it is; all of this only matters at the moment you want to
allocate a large page, at that time you need to reclaim memory to
satisfy the request. (There is some hysteresis between alloc and
reclaim; but lets ignore that for a moment.)

So, the basic operation is reclaim, make it succeed in freeing up the
requested order page (with the least possible disturbance to the rest).

Anti-fragmentation as mel now has it increases the success rate; lumpy
reclaim decreases the collateral damage.

Defrag could contribute to this by moving otherwise un-reclaimable pages
to an lower order free page, so that reclaim of a higher order page can
succeed.

> defragmentation 
> is fundamentally about moving memor not reclaim. Reclaim is a way of 
> evicting pages from memory to avoid the move. This may be useful if memory 
> is filled up because defragging can then do what swapping would have to 
> do. However, evicting pages means that they have to be reread. Page 
> migration can migrate pages at 1GB/sec which is certainly much higher 
> than having to reread the page.

Moving memory about is not the point; although it might come in handy;
its freeing linear chunks of memory without disturbing too much.

> Also I think the reclaim idea breaks down in the following cases:
> 
> 1. An mlocked page. This is a page that is movable but not reclaimable. 
> How does defrag 

NOTE: its anti-fragmentation; not de-fragmentation; the emphasis is on
avoiding fragments; not coalescing them.

> handle that case right now? It should really move the 
> page if necessary.

Sure, defrag or rather move_pages() could be rather useful.

> 2. There are a number of unreclaimable page types that are easily movable.
> F.e. page table pages are movable if you take a write-lock on mmap_sem 
> and handle the tree carefully. These pages again are not reclaimable but 
> they are movable.
> 
> Various caching objects in the slab (cpucache align cache etc) are also 
> easily movable. If we put them into a separate slab cache then we could 
> make them movable.
> 
> Certain Device drivers may be able to shut down intermittendly releasing 
> their memory and reallocating it later. This also may be used to move 
> memory. Memory allocated by such a device driver is movable.

The ability to move pages about that are otherwise unreclaimable does
indeed open up a new class of pages. But moving pages about is not the
main purpose; attaining linear free pages with the least amount of
collateral damage is.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-11-03 12:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-17  0:50 Christoph Lameter
2006-10-17  1:10 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-17  1:13   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-17  1:27 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-10-17  1:25   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-17  6:04     ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-17 17:54       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-18 11:15         ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-18 19:38           ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-23 23:08             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-24  1:07               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-26 22:09               ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-26 22:28                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28  1:00                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28  2:04                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-28  2:12                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28  2:24                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-28  2:31                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28  4:43                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-28  7:47                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-10-28 16:12                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-29  0:48                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-29  1:04                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-29  1:29                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-29 11:32                                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-30 16:41                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-01 18:26                                     ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 20:34                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 21:00                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-01 21:46                                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 21:50                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-01 22:13                                           ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 23:29                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02  0:22                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-02  0:27                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 12:45                                               ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 22:10                                         ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 17:37                                           ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-02 18:08                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 20:58                                               ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 21:04                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 21:16                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 21:52                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 22:37                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 22:50                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03  9:14                                                       ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 13:17                                                         ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-03 18:11                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 19:06                                                           ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 19:44                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 21:11                                                               ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 21:42                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 21:50                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-03 21:53                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 22:12                                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-03 22:15                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 22:19                                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-04  0:37                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-04  1:32                                                                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 16:40                                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-06 16:56                                                                               ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 17:00                                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-06 17:07                                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 17:12                                                                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2006-11-06 17:15                                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-06 17:20                                                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 17:26                                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-07 16:30                                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-07 17:54                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-07 18:14                                                                       ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-08  0:29                                                                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-11-08  2:08                                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-13 21:08                                                                     ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 12:48                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2006-11-03 18:15                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 18:53                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-11-03 19:23                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 18:52                                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-02 21:51                                             ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 22:03                                             ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-02 22:11                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 18:13                           ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 17:39                 ` Mel Gorman

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