From: Dave McCracken <dmc@austin.ibm.com>
To: linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:34:59 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <11530000.987705299@baldur> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104182315010.20939-100000@fs131-224.f-secure.com>
--On Wednesday, April 18, 2001 23:32:25 +0200 Szabolcs Szakacsits
<szaka@f-secure.com> wrote:
> Sorry, your comment isn't convincing enough ;) Why do you think
> "arbitrarily" (decided exclusively by the kernel itself) suspending
> processes (that can be done in user space anyway) would help?
>
> Even if you block new process creation and memory allocations (that's
> also not nice since it can be done by resource limits) why you think
> situation will ever get better i.e. processes release memory?
>
> How you want to avoid "deadlocks" when running processes have
> dependencies on suspended processes?
I think there's a semantic misunderstanding here. If I understand Rik's
proposal right, he's not talking about completely suspending a process ala
SIGSTOP. He's talking about removing it from the run queue for some small
length of time (ie a few seconds, probably) during which all the other
processes can make progress. This kind of suspension won't be noticeable
to users/administrators or permanently block dependent processes. In fact,
it should make the system appear more responsive than one in a thrashing
state.
Dave McCracken
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-04-19 18:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-04-12 16:58 [PATCH] a simple OOM killer to save me from Netscape Slats Grobnik
2001-04-12 18:25 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-12 18:49 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-13 6:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-04-13 16:20 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-14 1:20 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-04-16 21:06 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-16 21:40 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-16 22:12 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-16 22:21 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 14:26 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-17 19:53 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-17 20:44 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 20:59 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-17 21:09 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-14 7:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-04-15 5:05 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-15 5:20 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-16 11:52 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-16 12:17 ` suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...) Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-17 19:48 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-18 21:32 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-18 20:38 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-18 23:25 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-18 22:29 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19 10:14 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-04-19 13:23 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19 2:11 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19 7:08 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 13:37 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19 12:26 ` Christoph Rohland
2001-04-19 12:30 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 9:15 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 18:34 ` Dave McCracken [this message]
2001-04-19 18:47 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 18:53 ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-19 19:10 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 14:58 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-21 6:10 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 19:13 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19 19:47 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2001-04-20 12:44 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19 20:06 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:29 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 11:50 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 13:32 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 14:30 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 10:21 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:25 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-21 6:08 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:18 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-22 10:19 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 10:58 ` limit for number of processes Uman
2001-04-19 14:03 suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...) Jonathan Morton
2001-04-19 18:25 ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-19 18:32 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 20:23 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 12:14 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 12:02 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 14:48 ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-21 5:49 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-21 19:16 ` Joseph A. Knapka
2001-04-21 19:41 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 10:08 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 16:53 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 17:06 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 18:18 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 18:57 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 19:41 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 20:33 ` Jean Francois Martinez
2001-04-22 20:21 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 20:36 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 19:01 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 19:11 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 20:36 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 19:30 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 20:35 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 20:41 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 20:58 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 21:26 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 22:26 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-23 5:55 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-23 5:59 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-21 20:29 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 10:08 ` James A. Sutherland
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