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From: Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] fs: drop_caches: introduce per-node drop_caches interface
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2026 21:45:09 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1141f0ca-3b43-455f-bfa3-39c6da68ee58@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <adejDzw8Mf6407-a@tiehlicka>



On 4/9/2026 9:01 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 09-04-26 20:50:33, Kefeng Wang wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/2026 6:52 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>> On Thu 09-04-26 16:54:48, Kefeng Wang wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/9/2026 4:22 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>>>> On Thu 09-04-26 16:08:37, Kefeng Wang wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> To use the reclaim interface, there are two differences,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) we need to input the reclaim numbers and swappiness, this is not a big
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> 2) for reclaim, it supports swappiness=max to only reclaim anonymous pages,
>>>>>> but cannot only reclaim file pages,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is 2) a real constrain?
>>>>
>>>> This should not be a restriction, but a strategy. Our product wants to
>>>> migrate anonymous pages to the local instead of swapping them out. However,
>>>> the current per-node-reclaim interface does not support reclaiming only file
>>>> pages.
>>>
>>> Yes, I do understand that you want to keep your hot anonymous pages
>>> resident on some node. Those shouldn't be reclaimed by the user space
>>> triggered reclaim anyway, right? Migration will then happen during the
>>> memory offlining.
>>
>> Yes, that we need.
>>>
>>> This will certainly require some fine tuning but I do not see any reason
>>> this should be completely impossible. Certainly a more robust way (from
>>> API POV) than the suggested drop_caches. I am also not convinced we need
>>> page-cache-only reclaim for the existing reclaim interface. I believe it
>>> makes more sense to look at the reclaim from hotness POV rather than
>>> anon vs. file.
>>
>> It is already support only reclaim file pages when swappiness = 0 for
>> memcg.reclaim, but not for per-node-reclaim, so we can just make a few
>> small changes to enable it(no tested)
> 
> This might be small changes wrt code impact but they are changing the
> semantic of the interface and that needs proper analysis of impact,
> potential regression risk and also evaluate whether this is what we
> really want/need. Memcg has been special in this regards from early on
> and we pretty much had to keep the status quo IIRC.


For proactive reclaim, there are three interface for now,
1) lru_gen:  called lru_gen_seq_write()
2) memcg.reclaim/per-node-reclaim :  called user_proactive_reclaim()


I think it is reasonable to provide more strategic options for user 
proactive reclaim. The new code changes the semantic of lru_gen/per-
node-reclaim, but not memcg, so if we do need to avoid potential
regression, maybe add something like swappiness=min to only reclaim
file page.





  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-09 13:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-09  6:35 Kefeng Wang
2026-04-09  7:06 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-09  7:19   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-09  8:21     ` Kefeng Wang
2026-04-09  8:27       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-09  8:08   ` Kefeng Wang
2026-04-09  8:22     ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-09  8:54       ` Kefeng Wang
2026-04-09 10:52         ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-09 12:50           ` Kefeng Wang
2026-04-09 13:00             ` Kefeng Wang
2026-04-09 13:01             ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-09 13:45               ` Kefeng Wang [this message]
2026-04-09  8:30     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-09 15:16     ` Andrew Morton
2026-04-09 19:41       ` Michal Hocko

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