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From: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	kravetz@us.ibm.com, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lhms <lhms-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Lhms-devel] [PATCH 0/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:42:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1130917338.14475.133.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43680D8C.5080500@yahoo.com.au>

On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 11:51 +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Look: if you have to guarantee memory can be shrunk, set aside a zone
> for it (that only fills with user reclaimable areas). This is better
> than the current frag patches because it will give you the 100%
> guarantee that you need (provided we have page migration to move mlocked
> pages).

With Mel's patches, you can easily add the same guarantee.  Look at the
code in  fallback_alloc() (patch 5/8).  It would be quite easy to modify
the fallback lists to disallow fallbacks into areas from which we would
like to remove memory.  That was left out for simplicity.  As you say,
they're quite complex as it is.  Would you be interested in seeing a
patch to provide those kinds of guarantees?

We've had a bit of experience with a hotpluggable zone approach  before.
Just like the current topic patches, you're right, that approach can
also provide strong guarantees.  However, the issue comes if the system
ever needs to move memory between such zones, such as if a user ever
decides that they'd prefer to break hotplug guarantees rather than OOM.

Do you think changing what a particular area of memory is being used for
would ever be needed?

One other thing, if we decide to take the zones approach, it would have
no other side benefits for the kernel.  It would be for hotplug only and
I don't think even the large page users would get much benefit.  

-- Dave

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-02  7:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 253+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-30 18:33 Mel Gorman
2005-10-30 18:34 ` [PATCH 1/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19: 001_antidefrag_flags Mel Gorman
2005-10-30 18:34 ` [PATCH 2/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19: 002_usemap Mel Gorman
2005-10-30 18:34 ` [PATCH 3/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19: 003_fragcore Mel Gorman
2005-10-30 18:34 ` [PATCH 4/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19: 004_fallback Mel Gorman
2005-10-30 18:34 ` [PATCH 5/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19: 005_largealloc_tryharder Mel Gorman
2005-10-30 18:34 ` [PATCH 6/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19: 006_percpu Mel Gorman
2005-10-30 18:34 ` [PATCH 7/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19: 007_stats Mel Gorman
2005-10-31  5:57 ` [Lhms-devel] [PATCH 0/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19 Mike Kravetz
2005-10-31  6:37   ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-31  7:54     ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31  7:11       ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-31 16:19         ` Mel Gorman
2005-10-31 23:54           ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01  1:28             ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01  1:42               ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-31 14:34       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-31 19:24         ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31 19:40           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-31 23:59             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01  1:36               ` Mel Gorman
2005-10-31 23:29         ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01  0:59           ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01  1:31             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01  2:07               ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01  2:35                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01 11:57                   ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 13:56                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 14:10                       ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-01 14:29                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 14:49                           ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-01 15:01                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 15:22                               ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02  8:49                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02  9:02                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  9:17                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02  9:32                                     ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02  9:48                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02 10:54                                         ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02 15:02                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03  3:21                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-03 15:36                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 15:40                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-03 15:51                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 15:57                                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 16:20                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-03 16:27                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 16:46                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 16:52                                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 17:19                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 17:48                                                           ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-03 17:51                                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 17:59                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-03 18:08                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 18:17                                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 18:44                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 18:51                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 19:35                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 22:40                                                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 22:56                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 23:01                                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04  0:58                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  1:06                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04  1:20                                                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2005-11-04  1:22                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  1:48                                                                         ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-04  1:59                                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  2:35                                                                             ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-04  1:26                                                                       ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 21:11                                                                 ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 18:03                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 20:00                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-03 20:46                                                               ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 18:48                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 19:08                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 22:37                                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 23:16                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 23:39                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04  0:42                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  4:39                                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04 16:22                                                                 ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 15:53                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02 14:57                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-01 16:48                               ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2005-11-01 16:59                                 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2005-11-01 17:19                                 ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02  0:32                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-11-02 11:22                                     ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 18:06                                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-11-02  7:19                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02  7:46                                   ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-02  8:50                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  9:12                                       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-02  9:37                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02 10:17                                           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-02 23:47                                           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03  4:43                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-03  6:07                                               ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03  7:34                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-03 17:54                                                   ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03 20:13                                                     ` Jeff Dike
2005-11-03 16:35                                                 ` Jeff Dike
2005-11-03 16:23                                                   ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-11-03 18:27                                                     ` Jeff Dike
2005-11-03 18:49                                                     ` Rob Landley
2005-11-04  4:52                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  5:35                                                       ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  5:48                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  6:42                                                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  7:10                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  7:45                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  8:02                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  9:52                                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04 15:27                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 15:19                                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 17:38                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  6:16                                                         ` Bron Nelson
2005-11-04  7:26                                                       ` [patch] swapin rlimit Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04  7:36                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  8:07                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 10:06                                                             ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04 15:24                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04  8:18                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-04 10:04                                                             ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04 15:14                                                           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-04 10:14                                                         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-11-04 10:21                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 11:17                                                             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-11-02 10:41                                     ` [Lhms-devel] [PATCH 0/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19 Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02 11:04                                       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-02 12:00                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02 12:42                                           ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02 15:02                                           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-03  0:10                                             ` Rob Landley
2005-11-02  7:57                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  0:51                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  7:42                               ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2005-11-02  8:24                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  8:33                                   ` Yasunori Goto
2005-11-02  8:43                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02 14:51                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02 23:28                                       ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03  5:26                                         ` Jeff Dike
2005-11-03  5:41                                           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-04  3:26                                             ` [uml-devel] " Blaisorblade
2005-11-04 15:50                                               ` Rob Landley
2005-11-04 17:18                                                 ` Blaisorblade
2005-11-04 17:44                                                   ` Rob Landley
2005-11-02 12:38                               ` [Lhms-devel] [PATCH 0/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19 - Summary Mel Gorman
2005-11-03  3:14                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-03 12:19                                   ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-10 18:47                                     ` Steve Lord
2005-11-03 15:34                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-01 14:41                       ` [Lhms-devel] [PATCH 0/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19 Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 14:46                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 15:23                           ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 18:33                           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 19:02                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 14:50                         ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-01 15:24                           ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02  5:11                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-01 18:23                       ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 20:31                         ` Joel Schopp
2005-11-01 20:59                   ` Joel Schopp
2005-11-02  1:06                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  1:41                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  2:03                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  2:24                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  2:49                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  4:39                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  5:09                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  5:14                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  6:23                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-11-02 10:15                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  7:19                               ` Yasunori Goto
2005-11-02 11:48                               ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02 11:41                           ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02 11:37                       ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02 15:11                       ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 15:25               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-01 15:33                 ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-01 16:57                   ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 17:00                     ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 18:58                   ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 14:40         ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-04  1:00 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04  1:16 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04  1:27   ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  5:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04  6:10   ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  6:38     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04  7:26       ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  7:37         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 15:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 15:39         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 15:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-06  7:34           ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-06 15:55             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-06 18:18               ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-06  8:44         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-11-06 16:12           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-06 17:00             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-07  8:00               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-07 11:00                 ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-07 12:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-07 19:34                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-11-07 23:38                       ` Joel Schopp
2005-11-04  7:44     ` Eric Dumazet
2005-11-07 16:42       ` Adam Litke
2005-11-04 14:56   ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 15:18     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 15:39       ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 16:05         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 16:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 16:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 17:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 17:43               ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 16:00     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 16:13       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 16:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 17:10           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 16:14       ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 16:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 15:19 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 17:03 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 17:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 17:51   ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 21:04   ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 21:14     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 21:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 21:39       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-05  2:48       ` Rob Landley
2005-11-06 10:59       ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04 21:31     ` Gregory Maxwell
2005-11-04 22:43       ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-05  0:07         ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-06  1:30         ` Zan Lynx
2005-11-06  2:25           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-04 17:56 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 21:51 Andy Nelson
2005-11-05  1:37 Seth, Rohit, Nick
2005-11-07  0:34 ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-07 18:58   ` Adam Litke
2005-11-07 20:51     ` Rohit Seth
2005-11-07 20:55       ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-07 20:58         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-07 21:20           ` Rohit Seth
2005-11-07 21:33             ` Adam Litke
2005-11-08  2:12         ` David Gibson
2005-11-07 21:11       ` Adam Litke
2005-11-07 21:31         ` Rohit Seth
2005-11-05  1:52 Seth, Rohit, Friday, November

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