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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Ivan Kalvachev <ikalvachev@gmail.com>
Cc: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix kswap excessive pressure after wrong condition transfer
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 10:49:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <112df846-76d6-140f-8fdb-44dd0437c859@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1805311552390.13499@eggly.anvils>

On 06/01/2018 01:30 AM, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jun 2018, Ivan Kalvachev wrote:
>> On 5/31/18, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This looks like yesterday's https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/5/30/1158
>>>
>>
>> Yes, it seems to be the same problem.
>> It also have better technical description.
> 
> Well, your paragraph above on "Big memory consumers" gives a much
> better user viewpoint, and a more urgent case for the patch to go in,
> to stable if it does not make 4.17.0.
> 
> But I am surprised: the change is in a block of code only used in
> one of the modes of compaction (not in  reclaim itself), and I thought
> it was a mode which gives up quite easily, rather than visibly blocking. 
> 
> So I wonder if there's another issue to be improved here,
> and the mistreatment of the ex-swap pages just exposed it somehow.
> Cc'ing Vlastimil and David in case it triggers any insight from them.

My guess is that the problem is compaction fails because of the
isolation failures, causing further reclaim/complaction attempts with
higher priority, in the context of non-costly thus non-failing
allocations. Initially I thought that increased priority of compaction
would eventually synchronous and thus not go via this block of code
anymore. But (see isolate_migratepages()) only MIGRATE_SYNC compaction
mode drops the ISOLATE_ASYNC_MIGRATE isolate_mode flag. And MIGRATE_SYNC
is only used for compaction triggered via /proc - direct compaction
stops at MIGRATE_SYNC_LIGHT. Maybe that could be changed? Mel had
reasons to limit to SYNC_LIGHT, I guess...

If the above is correct, it means that even with gigabytes of free
memory you can fail order-3 (max non-costly order) allocation if
compaction doesn't work properly. That's a bit surprising, but not
impossible I guess...

Vlastimil

>>
>> Such let down.
>> It took me so much time to bisect the issue...
> 
> Thank you for all your work on it, odd how we found it at the same
> time: I was just porting Mel's patch into another tree, had to make
> a change near there, and suddenly noticed that the test was wrong.
> 
> Hugh
> 
>>
>> Well, I hope that the fix will get into 4.17 release in time.
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-01  8:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-31 19:34 Ivan Kalvachev
2018-05-31 19:51 ` Greg Thelen
2018-05-31 21:39   ` Ivan Kalvachev
2018-05-31 23:30     ` Hugh Dickins
2018-06-01  8:49       ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2018-06-11 15:38         ` Ivan Kalvachev

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