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From: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	shai@scalex86.org, steiner@sgi.com
Subject: Re: NUMA aware slab allocator V3
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:12:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1116267149.1005.85.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0505161046430.1653@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 10:54 -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > Remember, as you saw, you can't assume that MAX_NUMNODES=1 when NUMA=n
> > because of the DISCONTIG=y case.
> 
> I have never seen such a machine. A SMP machine with multiple 
> "nodes"?

Yes.  "discontigmem nodes" 

> So essentially one NUMA node has multiple discontig "nodes"?

Yes, in theory.

A discontig node is just a contiguous area of physical memory.

> This means that the concept of a node suddenly changes if there is just 
> one numa node(CONFIG_NUMA off implies one numa node)? 

Correct as well.

> > So, in summary, if you want to do it right: use the
> > CONFIG_NEED_MULTIPLE_NODES that you see in -mm.  As plain DISCONTIG=y
> > gets replaced by sparsemem any code using this is likely to stay
> > working.
> 
> s/CONFIG_NUMA/CONFIG_NEED_MULTIPLE_NODES?
> 
> That will not work because the idea is the localize the slabs to each 
> node. 
> 
> If there are multiple nodes per numa node then invariable one node in the 
> numa node (sorry for this duplication of what node means but I did not 
> do it) must be preferred since numa_node_id() does not return a set of 
> discontig nodes.

I know it's confusing.  I feel your pain :)

You're right, I think you completely want CONFIG_NUMA, not
NEED_MULTIPLE_NODES.  So, toss out that #ifdef, and everything should be
in pretty good shape.  Just don't make any assumptions about how many
'struct zone' or 'pg_data_t's a single "node's" pages can come from.

Although it doesn't help your issue, you may want to read the comments
in here, I wrote it when my brain was twisting around the same issues:

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.12-rc4/2.6.12-rc4-mm2/broken-out/introduce-new-kconfig-option-for-numa-or-discontig.patch

> Sorry but this all sounds like an flaw in the design. There is no 
> consistent notion of node.

It's not really a flaw in the design, it's a misinterpretation of the
original design as new architectures implemented things.  I hope to
completely ditch DISCONTIGMEM, eventually.

> Are you sure that this is not a ppc64 screwup?

Yeah, ppc64 is not at fault, it just provides the most obvious exposure
of the issue.

-- Dave

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-05-16 18:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-11 15:17 NUMA aware slab allocator V2 Christoph Lameter
2005-05-11 15:46 ` Jack Steiner
2005-05-12  7:04 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-12  9:39   ` Niraj kumar
2005-05-12 20:02   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-12 20:22     ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-13  7:06     ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-13 11:21       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-13 11:33         ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-13 11:37           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-13 13:56             ` Dave Hansen
2005-05-13 16:20               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-14  1:24           ` NUMA aware slab allocator V3 Christoph Lameter
2005-05-14  7:42             ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-14 16:24               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-16  5:00                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-16 13:52             ` Dave Hansen
2005-05-16 16:47               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-16 17:22                 ` Dave Hansen
2005-05-16 17:54                   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-16 18:08                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-05-16 21:10                       ` Jesse Barnes
2005-05-16 21:21                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-05-17  0:14                           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17  0:26                             ` Dave Hansen
2005-05-17 23:36                               ` Matthew Dobson
2005-05-17 23:49                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-18 17:27                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2005-05-18 17:48                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-18 21:15                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2005-05-18 21:40                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-19  5:07                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-19 16:14                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2005-05-19 19:03                                             ` Matthew Dobson
2005-05-19 21:46                                             ` Matthew Dobson
2005-05-20 19:03                                             ` Matthew Dobson
2005-05-20 19:23                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-20 20:20                                                 ` Matthew Dobson
2005-05-20 21:30                                                 ` Matthew Dobson
2005-05-20 23:42                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-24 21:37                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-24 23:02                                                     ` Matthew Dobson
2005-05-25  5:21                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-25 18:27                                                         ` Matthew Dobson
2005-05-25 21:03                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-26  6:48                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-05-28  1:59                                                       ` NUMA aware slab allocator V4 Christoph Lameter
2005-05-16 21:54                         ` NUMA aware slab allocator V3 Dave Hansen
2005-05-16 18:12                     ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2005-05-13 13:46         ` NUMA aware slab allocator V2 Dave Hansen
2005-05-17 23:29       ` Matthew Dobson
2005-05-18  1:07         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-12 21:49 ` Robin Holt

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