manual page migration -- issues

manual page migration -- issues

[Ray Bryant]

The following is an attempt to summarize the issues that have
been raised thus far in this discussion.  I'm hoping that this
list can help us resolve the issues in a (somewhat) organized
manner:

(1)  Should there be a new API or should/can the migration functionality
      be folded under the NUMA API?

(2)  If we decide to make a new API, then what parameters should
      that system call take?  Proposals have been made for all of
      the following:

      -- pid, va_start, va_end, count, old_nodes, new_nodes
      -- pid, va_start, va_end, old_node_mask, new_node_mask
      -- pid, va_start, va_end, old_node, new_node
      -- same variations as above without the va_start/end arguments

(2)  If we make a new API, how does that new API interact with the
      NUMA API?
      -- e. g.what happens when we migrate a VMA that has a mempolicy
         associated with it?

(3)  If we make a new API, how does this API interact with the rest
      of the VM system.  For example, when we migrate part of a VMA
      do we split the VMA or not?  (See also (4) below since if we
      decide that the migration interface needs to be able to migrate
      processes without stopping them, the whole concept of talking
      about such ephemeral things as VMAs becomes pointless.)

(4)  How general of a migration model are we supporting?
      -- migration where old and new set of nodes might not be disjoint
      -- migration of general processes (without suspension) or just
         of suspended processes
      -- how general of a migration model is necessary to get sufficient
         users (more than SGI, say) to increase the chances of getting
         the facility merged into the kernel.

(5)  How do we determine what vma's to migrate?   (Subquestion:  Is
      this done by the kernel or in user space?)
      -- original idea:  reference counts in /proc/pid/maps
      -- newer idea: exclusion lists either set by marking the
         file in some special way or by an explicit list
      -- if we mark files as non-migratable, where is this information
         stored?

(6)  How does the migration API (in whatever form it takes) interact
      with cpusets?

So first off, is this the complete list of issues?  Can anyone suggest
an issue that isn't covered here?
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Re: manual page migration -- issues

[Paul Jackson]

Ray - could you repost your excellent re-introduction to linux-mm, with
the specific email addresses of those who have shown an interest so far
on lkml?  Many of us treat email to "a list plus ourselves" differently
than we treat email just to "a list".

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Re: manual page migration -- issues

[Ray Bryant]

Paul Jackson wrote:
> Ray - could you repost your excellent re-introduction to linux-mm, with
> the specific email addresses of those who have shown an interest so far
> on lkml?  Many of us treat email to "a list plus ourselves" differently
> than we treat email just to "a list".
> 
Hmmmm.... Dave Hansen and I had previously proposed something different so
as to trim the discussion list down a bit.  (A bit of subterfuge behind
the scenes, admittedly.  :-) ).

How about it, Dave, would it be ok to repost my issues list with a cc list
including the interested candidates thus far?

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Re: manual page migration -- issues

[Dave Hansen]

On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 17:26 -0600, Ray Bryant wrote:
> How about it, Dave, would it be ok to repost my issues list with a cc list
> including the interested candidates thus far?

I don't see why not.

-- Dave

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