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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
	Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>, Rakie Kim <rakie.kim@sk.com>,
	Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>,
	Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 03/10] mm,memory_hotplug: Implement numa node notifier
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 10:39:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <10c87a0e-c9fe-48fe-9bbd-16afd244b4ec@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aE_WG6bnjtLBzCp8@localhost.localdomain>

On 16.06.25 10:30, Oscar Salvador wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2025 at 10:10:21AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 09.06.25 11:21, Oscar Salvador wrote:
>>> +The first argument of the callback function (self) is a pointer to the block
>>> +of the notifier chain that points to the callback function itself.
>>> +The second argument (action) is one of the event types described above.
>>> +The third argument (arg) passes a pointer of struct node_notify::
>>> +
>>> +        struct node_notify {
>>> +                int nid;
>>> +        }
>>> +
>>> +- nid is the node we are adding or removing memory to.
>>> +
>>> +  If nid >= 0, callback should create/discard structures for the
>>> +  node if necessary.
>>
>> Likely that should be removed?
> 
> Yes, indeed.
> 
>>
>> It' probably worth mentioning that one might get notified about
>> NODE_CANCEL_ADDING_FIRST_MEMORY even though never notified for
>> NODE_ADDING_FIRST_MEMORY. (same for removing)
>>
>> I recall this can happen if one of the NODE_ADDING_FIRST_MEMORY notifiers
>> fails.
>>
>> (same applies to MEM_CANCEL_*)
>>
>> Consequently, we might simplify the cancel_mem_notifier_on_err etc stuff,
>> simply unconditionally calling the cancel counterparts.
> 
> So, I managed to do another respin with all feedback included, but I
> left this one for the end, and here I'm.
> 
> It's true, currently users can get notified about e.g: MEM_CANCE_ONLINE without
> going through MEM_GOING_ONLINE if another user fails for the latter, but I'm
> trying to workaround the fact why that's not a problem.
> 
> Because assume you have a user of MEM_CANCEL_ONLINE, who thinks it got called
> for MEM_GOING_ONLINE, while in fact it didn't because some other user fail on
> it, and it tries to free some memory it thinks it initialized during MEM_GOING_ONLINE.
> 
> Isn't this a bit shaky?

It's suboptimal yes, But to get it right, you'd have to remmeber for 
exactly which notofiers you performed the calls ...

> I mean, yes, I guess we can put the burden on the users of
> the notifiers to not assume anything, but then yes, I think we should document this
> as it can lead to potential misbeliefs.

The burden is already on the users I think.

E.g., virio-mem maintains a "hotplug_active" variable, to detect whether 
MEM_ONLINE was actually called.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-16  8:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-09  9:21 [PATCH v6 00/10] " Oscar Salvador
2025-06-09  9:21 ` [PATCH v6 01/10] mm,slub: Do not special case N_NORMAL nodes for slab_nodes Oscar Salvador
2025-06-09  9:21 ` [PATCH v6 02/10] mm,memory_hotplug: Remove status_change_nid_normal and update documentation Oscar Salvador
2025-06-09  9:21 ` [PATCH v6 03/10] mm,memory_hotplug: Implement numa node notifier Oscar Salvador
2025-06-10  8:10   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16  8:30     ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-16  8:39       ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-06-16  8:50         ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-16  8:52           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 11:45             ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-16 12:21               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 12:32                 ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-16 12:35                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 12:55                     ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-09  9:21 ` [PATCH v6 04/10] mm,slub: Use node-notifier instead of memory-notifier Oscar Salvador
2025-06-10  7:50   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-09  9:21 ` [PATCH v6 05/10] mm,memory-tiers: " Oscar Salvador
2025-06-10  7:51   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-09  9:21 ` [PATCH v6 06/10] drivers,cxl: " Oscar Salvador
2025-06-10  7:51   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-09  9:21 ` [PATCH v6 07/10] drivers,hmat: " Oscar Salvador
2025-06-10  7:52   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-09  9:21 ` [PATCH v6 08/10] kernel,cpuset: " Oscar Salvador
2025-06-09  9:21 ` [PATCH v6 09/10] mm,mempolicy: " Oscar Salvador
2025-06-10  7:52   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-09  9:21 ` [PATCH v6 10/10] mm,memory_hotplug: Drop status_change_nid parameter from memory_notify Oscar Salvador
2025-06-10  7:55   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-10  8:02     ` Oscar Salvador

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