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From: Huan Yang <link@vivo.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>, Xu Xin <xu.xin16@zte.com.cn>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
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	Ying Huang <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
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	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9] introduce PGTY_mgt_entry page_type
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 17:56:09 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <10484264-e863-46e9-9797-d2d76a531557@vivo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f21b75f9-0650-44c2-bf47-516390364a8b@lucifer.local>


在 2025/7/24 17:45, Lorenzo Stoakes 写道:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 05:36:27PM +0800, Huan Yang wrote:
>> 在 2025/7/24 17:32, David Hildenbrand 写道:
>>> On 24.07.25 11:20, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> On 24.07.25 11:12, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>> On 24.07.25 11:09, Huan Yang wrote:
>>>>>> 在 2025/7/24 16:59, David Hildenbrand 写道:
>>>>>>> On 24.07.25 10:44, Huan Yang wrote:
>>>>>>>> Summary
>>>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>>> This patchset reuses page_type to store migrate
>>>>>>>> entry count during the
>>>>>>>> period from migrate entry setup to removal, enabling accelerated VMA
>>>>>>>> traversal when removing migrate entries, following a similar
>>>>>>>> principle to
>>>>>>>> early termination when folio is unmapped in try_to_migrate.
>>>>>>> I absolutely detest (ab)using page types for that, so no from my side
>>>>>>> unless I am missing something important.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my self-constructed test scenario, the migration
>>>>>>>> time can be reduced
>>>>>>> How relevant is that in practice?
>>>>>> IMO, any folio mapped < nr vma in mapping(anon_vma, addresss_space),
>>>>>> will benefit from this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, all pages that have been COW-ed by child processes can be skipped.
>>>>> For small anon folios, you could use the anon-exclusive marker
>>>>> to derive
>>>>> "there can only be a single mapping".
>>>>>
>>>>> It's stored alongside the migration entry.
>>>>>
>>>>> So once you restored that single migration entry, you can just stop the
>>>>> walk.
>>>> Essentially, something (untested) like this:
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/mm/migrate.c b/mm/migrate.c
>>>> index 425401b2d4e14..aa5bf96b1daee 100644
>>>> --- a/mm/migrate.c
>>>> +++ b/mm/migrate.c
>>>> @@ -421,6 +421,15 @@ static bool remove_migration_pte(struct folio
>>>> *folio,
>>>>                       /* No need to invalidate - it was non-present
>>>> before */
>>>>                    update_mmu_cache(vma, pvmw.address, pvmw.pte);
>>>> +
>>>> +               /*
>>>> +                * If the small anon folio is exclusive, here can be
>>>> exactly one
>>>> +                * page mapping -- the one we just restored.
>>>> +                */
>>>> +               if (!folio_test_large(folio) && (rmap_flags &
>>>> RMAP_EXCLUSIVE)) {
>>>> +                       page_vma_mapped_walk_done(&pvmw);
>>>> +                       break;
>>>> +               }
>>>>            }
>>>>               return true;
>>> Probably that won't really help I assume, because __folio_set_anon()
>>> will move the new anon folio under vma->anon_vma, not
>>> vma->anon_vma->root.
>>>
>>> So I assume you mean that we had a COW-shared folio now mapped only into
>>> some VMAs (some mappings in other processes removed due to CoW or
>>> similar).
>>>
>>> In that case aborting early can help.
>>>
>>> Not in all cases though, just imagine that the very last VMA we're
>>> iterating maps the page. You have to iterate through all of them either
>>> way ... no way around that, really.
>> Indeed, whether we can exit the loop early depends on the position of the
>> terminating VMA in the tree.
>>
>> I think a better approach would be to remove the fully COW-ed VMAs and their
>> associated AVCs from the anon_vma's tree.
>>
>> I've been researching this aspect, but haven't made any progress yet.(I have
>> some ideas, but the specific implementation is still challenging.)
>>
> Please leave this alone, I'm in the midst of trying to make fundamental changes
> to the anon rmap logic and it's really very subtle and indeed challenging (as
> you've seen).
OK, but I still try to research it, not only for upstream or something.
>
> Since I intend to change the whole mechanism around this, efforts to adjust the
> existing behaviour are going to strictly conflict with that.
>
> We are 'lazy' in actually properly accounting for fully CoW'd VMAs and so can
> only know 'maybe' if it has, I mean as from above you've noticed.
>
> The CoW hierarchy also makes life challenging, see vma_had_uncowed_parents() for
> an example of the subtlty.
>
> Having looked at anon rmap in detail, I have come to think the only sensible way
> forward is something fairly bold.

Woo, that's really interesting. I'm looking forward to this.

Thanks.


>
> Thanks!
>


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-24  9:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-24  8:44 Huan Yang
2025-07-24  8:44 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] mm: introduce PAGE_TYPE_SHIFT Huan Yang
2025-07-24  8:44 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] mm: add page_type value helper Huan Yang
2025-07-24  8:44 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] mm/rmap: simplify rmap_walk invoke Huan Yang
2025-07-24  8:44 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] mm/rmap: add args in rmap_walk_control done hook Huan Yang
2025-07-24  8:44 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] mm/rmap: introduce exit hook Huan Yang
2025-07-24  8:44 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] mm/rmap: introduce migrate_walk_arg Huan Yang
2025-07-24  8:44 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] mm/migrate: rename rmap_walk_arg folio Huan Yang
2025-07-24  8:44 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] mm/migrate: infrastructure for migrate entry page_type Huan Yang
2025-07-24  8:44 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] mm/migrate: apply " Huan Yang
2025-07-24  8:59 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] introduce PGTY_mgt_entry page_type David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24  9:09   ` Huan Yang
2025-07-24  9:12     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24  9:20       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24  9:32         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24  9:36           ` Huan Yang
2025-07-24  9:45             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24  9:56               ` Huan Yang [this message]
2025-07-24  9:58                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 10:01                   ` Huan Yang
2025-07-24  9:15 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24  9:29   ` Huan Yang
2025-07-25  1:37     ` Huang, Ying
2025-07-25  1:47       ` Huan Yang
2025-07-25  9:26         ` David Hildenbrand

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