From: Matt Whitlock <kernel@mattwhitlock.name>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
<linux-fsdevel@kvack.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] splice: Fix corruption of spliced data after splice() returns
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 19:41:07 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0d10033a-7ea1-48e3-806b-f74000045915@mattwhitlock.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wh7OY=7ocTFY8styG8GgQ1coWxds=b09acHZG4t36OxWg@mail.gmail.com>
On Wednesday, 19 July 2023 19:20:32 EDT, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 19 July 2023 16:16:07 EDT, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>> The *ONLY* reason for splice() existing is for zero-copy.
>>
>> The very first sentence of splice(2) reads: "splice() moves data between
>> two file descriptors without copying between kernel address space and user
>> address space." Thus, it is not unreasonable to believe that the point of
>> splice is to avoid copying between user-space and kernel-space.
>
> I'm not at all opposed to clarifying the documentation.
Then that is my request. This entire complaint/discussion/argument would
have been avoided if splice(2) had contained a sentence like this one from
sendfile(2):
"If out_fd refers to a socket or pipe with zero-copy support, callers must
ensure the transferred portions of the file referred to by in_fd remain
unmodified until the reader on the other end of out_fd has consumed the
transferred data."
That is a clear warning of the perils of the implementation under the hood,
and it could/should be copied, more or less verbatim, to splice(2).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-07-19 23:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-06-29 15:54 [RFC PATCH 0/4] splice: Fix corruption in data spliced to pipe David Howells
2023-06-29 15:54 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] splice: Fix corruption of spliced data after splice() returns David Howells
2023-07-19 10:17 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-07-19 17:59 ` Matt Whitlock
2023-07-19 19:35 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-07-19 19:44 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-19 19:56 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-07-19 20:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-19 20:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-19 21:02 ` Matt Whitlock
2023-07-19 23:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-19 23:41 ` Matt Whitlock [this message]
2023-07-20 0:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-19 23:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 9:44 ` David Howells
2023-07-24 13:55 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-07-24 16:15 ` David Howells
2023-06-29 15:54 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] splice: Make vmsplice() steal or copy David Howells
2023-06-30 13:44 ` Simon Horman
2023-06-30 15:29 ` David Howells
2023-06-30 17:32 ` Simon Horman
2023-06-29 15:54 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] splice: Remove some now-unused bits David Howells
2023-06-29 15:54 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] splice: Record some statistics David Howells
2023-06-29 17:56 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] splice: Fix corruption in data spliced to pipe Linus Torvalds
2023-06-29 18:05 ` Matt Whitlock
2023-06-29 18:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-29 18:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-06-29 18:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-30 16:50 ` David Howells
2023-06-29 18:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-29 18:16 ` Matt Whitlock
2023-06-30 0:01 ` Jakub Kicinski
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