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From: Chen Ridong <chenridong@huaweicloud.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: hannes@cmpxchg.org, yosryahmed@google.com,
	roman.gushchin@linux.dev, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
	muchun.song@linux.dev, davidf@vimeo.com, handai.szj@taobao.com,
	rientjes@google.com, kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com,
	RCU <rcu@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, chenridong@huawei.com,
	wangweiyang2@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] memcg: fix soft lockup in the OOM process
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 20:13:37 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0b6a3935-8b6c-4d11-bacc-31c1ba15b349@huaweicloud.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aaa26dbb-e3b5-42a3-aac0-1cb594a272b6@suse.cz>



On 2025/1/14 17:20, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 1/14/25 09:40, Michal Hocko wrote:
>> On Mon 13-01-25 19:45:46, Andrew Morton wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 14:51:55 +0800 Chen Ridong <chenridong@huaweicloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> @@ -430,10 +431,15 @@ static void dump_tasks(struct oom_control *oc)
>>>>>>  		mem_cgroup_scan_tasks(oc->memcg, dump_task, oc);
>>>>>>  	else {
>>>>>>  		struct task_struct *p;
>>>>>> +		int i = 0;
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  		rcu_read_lock();
>>>>>> -		for_each_process(p)
>>>>>> +		for_each_process(p) {
>>>>>> +			/* Avoid potential softlockup warning */
>>>>>> +			if ((++i & 1023) == 0)
>>>>>> +				touch_softlockup_watchdog();
>>>>>
>>>>> This might suppress the soft lockup, but won't a rcu stall still be detected?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, rcu stall was still detected.
> 
> "was" or "would be"? I thought only the memcg case was observed, or was that
> some deliberate stress test of the global case? (or the pr_info() console
> stress test mentioned earlier, but created outside of the oom code?)
> 

It's not easy to reproduce for global OOM. Because the pr_info() console
stress test can also lead to other softlockups or RCU warnings(not
causeed by OOM process) because the whole system is struggling.However,
if I add mdelay(1) in the dump_task() function (just to slow down
dump_task, assuming this is slowed by pr_info()) and trigger a global
OOM, RCU warnings can be observed.

I think this can verify that global OOM can trigger RCU warnings in the
specific scenarios.

>>>> For global OOM, system is likely to struggle, do we have to do some
>>>> works to suppress RCU detete?
>>>
>>> rcu_cpu_stall_reset()?
>>
>> Do we really care about those? The code to iterate over all processes
>> under RCU is there (basically) since ever and yet we do not seem to have
>> many reports of stalls? Chen's situation is specific to memcg OOM and
>> touching the global case was mostly for consistency reasons.
> 
> Then I'd rather not touch the global case then if it's theoretical? It's not
> even exactly consistent, given it's a cond_resched() in the memcg code (that
> can be eventually automatically removed once/if lazy preempt becomes the
> sole implementation), but the touch_softlockup_watchdog() would remain,
> while doing only half of the job?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-14 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-24  2:52 Chen Ridong
2024-12-24 23:06 ` David Rientjes
2025-01-03 16:18 ` Michal Koutný
2025-01-04  0:52   ` Chen Ridong
2025-01-06  8:45 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-13  6:51   ` Chen Ridong
2025-01-14  3:45     ` Andrew Morton
2025-01-14  8:40       ` Michal Hocko
2025-01-14  9:20         ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-14  9:30           ` Michal Hocko
2025-01-14 12:19             ` Chen Ridong
2025-01-14 12:13           ` Chen Ridong [this message]
2025-01-14 18:42             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-17  6:59               ` chenridong
2025-01-06  9:29 ` Michal Hocko

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