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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Alex Shi <alex.shi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Chris Kennelly <ckennelly@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Hugepage collapse in process context
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 14:43:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0b51a213-650e-7801-b6ed-9545466c15db@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YCzSDPbBsksCX5zP@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 2/17/21 9:21 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> [Cc linux-api]
> 
> On Tue 16-02-21 20:24:16, David Rientjes wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>> 
>> Khugepaged is slow by default, it scans at most 4096 pages every 10s.  
>> That's normally fine as a system-wide setting, but some applications would 
>> benefit from a more aggressive approach (as long as they are willing to 
>> pay for it).
>> 
>> Instead of adding priorities for eligible ranges of memory to khugepaged, 
>> temporarily speeding khugepaged up for the whole system, or sharding its 
>> work for memory belonging to a certain process, one approach would be to 
>> allow userspace to induce hugepage collapse.
>> 
>> The benefit to this approach would be that this is done in process context 
>> so its cpu is charged to the process that is inducing the collapse.  
>> Khugepaged is not involved.
> 
> Yes, this makes a lot of sense to me.
> 
>> Idea was to allow userspace to induce hugepage collapse through the new 
>> process_madvise() call.  This allows us to collapse hugepages on behalf of 
>> current or another process for a vectored set of ranges.
> 
> Yes, madvise sounds like a good fit for the purpose.

Agreed on both points.

>> This could be done through a new process_madvise() mode *or* it could be a 
>> flag to MADV_HUGEPAGE since process_madvise() allows for a flag parameter 
>> to be passed.  For example, MADV_F_SYNC.
> 
> Would this MADV_F_SYNC be applicable to other madvise modes? Most
> existing madvise modes do not seem to make much sense. We can argue that
> MADV_PAGEOUT would guarantee the range was indeed reclaimed but I am not
> sure we want to provide such a strong semantic because it can limit
> future reclaim optimizations.
> 
> To me MADV_HUGEPAGE_COLLAPSE sounds like the easiest way forward.

I guess in the old madvise(2) we could create a new combo of MADV_HUGEPAGE |
MADV_WILLNEED with this semantic? But you are probably more interested in
process_madvise() anyway. There the new flag would make more sense. But there's
also David H.'s proposal for MADV_POPULATE and there might be benefit in
considering both at the same time? Should e.g. MADV_POPULATE with MADV_HUGEPAGE
have the collapse semantics? But would MADV_POPULATE be added to
process_madvise() as well? Just thinking out loud so we don't end up with more
flags than necessary, it's already confusing enough as it is.


  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-18 13:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-17  4:24 David Rientjes
2021-02-17  8:21 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-18 13:43   ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2021-02-18 13:52     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-18 22:34       ` David Rientjes
2021-02-19 16:16         ` Zi Yan
2021-02-24  9:44         ` Alex Shi
2021-03-01 20:56           ` David Rientjes
2021-03-04 10:52             ` Alex Shi
2021-02-17 15:49 ` Zi Yan
2021-02-18  8:11 ` Song Liu
2021-02-18  8:39   ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-18  9:53     ` Song Liu
2021-02-18 10:01       ` Michal Hocko

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