From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] eliminate mmap() retry merge, add .mmap_prepare hook
Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 10:25:57 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <08e1ed6b-1175-4c07-9de7-6262d95cfd6e@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250505-frisur-stempeln-9b66d6115726@brauner>
On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 03:37:39PM +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> On Fri, May 02, 2025 at 01:59:49PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > On Fri, May 02, 2025 at 02:20:38PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > On Thu 01-05-25 18:25:26, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > > > During the mmap() of a file-backed mapping, we invoke the underlying driver
> > > > file's mmap() callback in order to perform driver/file system
> > > > initialisation of the underlying VMA.
> > > >
> > > > This has been a source of issues in the past, including a significant
> > > > security concern relating to unwinding of error state discovered by Jann
> > > > Horn, as fixed in commit 5de195060b2e ("mm: resolve faulty mmap_region()
> > > > error path behaviour") which performed the recent, significant, rework of
> > > > mmap() as a whole.
> > > >
> > > > However, we have had a fly in the ointment remain - drivers have a great
> > > > deal of freedom in the .mmap() hook to manipulate VMA state (as well as
> > > > page table state).
> > > >
> > > > This can be problematic, as we can no longer reason sensibly about VMA
> > > > state once the call is complete (the ability to do - anything - here does
> > > > rather interfere with that).
> > > >
> > > > In addition, callers may choose to do odd or unusual things which might
> > > > interfere with subsequent steps in the mmap() process, and it may do so and
> > > > then raise an error, requiring very careful unwinding of state about which
> > > > we can make no assumptions.
> > > >
> > > > Rather than providing such an open-ended interface, this series provides an
> > > > alternative, far more restrictive one - we expose a whitelist of fields
> > > > which can be adjusted by the driver, along with immutable state upon which
> > > > the driver can make such decisions:
> > > >
> > > > struct vm_area_desc {
> > > > /* Immutable state. */
> > > > struct mm_struct *mm;
> > > > unsigned long start;
> > > > unsigned long end;
> > > >
> > > > /* Mutable fields. Populated with initial state. */
> > > > pgoff_t pgoff;
> > > > struct file *file;
> > > > vm_flags_t vm_flags;
> > > > pgprot_t page_prot;
> > > >
> > > > /* Write-only fields. */
> > > > const struct vm_operations_struct *vm_ops;
> > > > void *private_data;
> > > > };
> > > >
> > > > The mmap logic then updates the state used to either merge with a VMA or
> > > > establish a new VMA based upon this logic.
> > > >
> > > > This is achieved via new file hook .mmap_prepare(), which is, importantly,
> > > > invoked very early on in the mmap() process.
> > > >
> > > > If an error arises, we can very simply abort the operation with very little
> > > > unwinding of state required.
> > >
> > > Looks sensible. So is there a plan to transform existing .mmap hooks to
> > > .mmap_prepare hooks? I agree that for most filesystems this should be just
> > > easy 1:1 replacement and AFAIU this would be prefered?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Yeah the intent is to convert _all_ callers away from .mmap() so we can
> > lock down what drivers are doing and be able to (relatively) safely make
> > assumptions about what's going on in mmap logic.
> >
> > As David points out, we may need to add new callbacks to account for other
>
> The plural is a little worrying, let's please aim minimize the number of
> new methods we need for this.
Ack. My intent is maximum one more, but to try to avoid it at all costs.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-05-06 9:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-01 17:25 Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-01 17:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] mm: introduce new .mmap_prepare() file callback Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-01 17:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] mm: secretmem: convert to .mmap_prepare() hook Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-07 6:09 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-05-01 17:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/3] mm/vma: remove mmap() retry merge Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-02 12:20 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] eliminate mmap() retry merge, add .mmap_prepare hook Jan Kara
2025-05-02 12:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-05 13:37 ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06 9:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
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