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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>, Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Jakub Matena <matenajakub@gmail.com>,
	Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/11] mm/mremap: introduce more mergeable mremap via MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 14:05:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <08ace5ea-ca09-4506-8ebd-016e8061c51b@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7ae2e19c-10f6-4121-bc15-dd07c11b197a@lucifer.local>


>>>>
>>>> Or: separate but maybe awful idea, but if the problem is the number of VMAs
>>>> maybe we could try harder based on the map count? i.e if
>>>> map_count > (max_map_count / 2), try to relocate anon.
>>>
>>> Interesting, though that'd make some things randomly merge and other stuff not,
>>> and you really have to consistently do this stuff to make things mergeable.
>>
>> Yes, I'd prefer if we can make it more predictable.
>>
>> (Of course, the VMA region size could also be used as an input to a policy.
>> e.g., small move -> much fragmentation -> merge, large move -> less
>> fragmentation -> don't care. Knowing about the use cases that use mremap()
>> of anon memory and how they might be affected could be very valuable. Maybe
>> it's mostly moving a handful of pages where we most care about this
>> optimization?).
> 
> I think fundamentally there are two problems:
> 
> 1. Unexpected VMA fragmentation leading to later mremap() failure.
> 2. Unnecessary VMA proliferation.
> 
> So we could fix 1 with a 'allow multiple VMAs to be moved if no resize'
> patch.

Yes. Which might end up easier (well, okay, different level of 
complexity, at least not messing with folio->)

And of course the relocate anon stuff is about 2.
> 
> In theory we could combine it, but things could become complicated as then
> it's mulitple VMA/anon_vma merges.

Yes.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-24 12:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-09 13:26 Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 01/11] " Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-16 20:58   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17  6:37     ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-17  9:52       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 10:01         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 10:07     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 12:07       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 11:15   ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-17 11:24     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 11:49       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 20:09   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 02/11] mm/mremap: add MREMAP_MUST_RELOCATE_ANON Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 03/11] mm/mremap: add MREMAP[_MUST]_RELOCATE_ANON support for large folios Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 04/11] tools UAPI: Update copy of linux/mman.h from the kernel sources Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 05/11] tools/testing/selftests: add sys_mremap() helper to vm_util.h Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 06/11] tools/testing/selftests: add mremap() cases that merge normally Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 07/11] tools/testing/selftests: add MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON merge test cases Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 08/11] tools/testing/selftests: expand mremap() tests for MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 09/11] tools/testing/selftests: have CoW self test use MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 10/11] tools/testing/selftests: test relocate anon in split huge page test Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 11/11] tools/testing/selftests: add MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON fork tests Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-16 20:24 ` [PATCH 00/11] mm/mremap: introduce more mergeable mremap via MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 20:41   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17  8:34     ` Pedro Falcato
2025-06-17  8:45       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 10:57         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 11:58           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 12:47             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-20 18:59           ` Pedro Falcato
2025-06-20 19:28             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-24  9:38               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-24 10:19                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-24 12:05                   ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-06-17 10:20       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 10:50   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17  5:42 ` Lai, Yi
2025-06-17  6:45   ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-17  9:33     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-25 15:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-25 15:58   ` Andrew Morton

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