From: "David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Vernon Yang <vernon2gm@gmail.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com
Cc: ziy@nvidia.com, dev.jain@arm.com, baohua@kernel.org,
lance.yang@linux.dev, richard.weiyang@gmail.com,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Vernon Yang <yanglincheng@kylinos.cn>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/4] mm: khugepaged: set VM_NOHUGEPAGE flag when MADV_COLD/MADV_FREE
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2025 20:54:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <084eee6b-6c9e-454b-a563-b2babb76b099@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251229055151.54887-4-yanglincheng@kylinos.cn>
On 12/29/25 06:51, Vernon Yang wrote:
> For example, create three task: hot1 -> cold -> hot2. After all three
> task are created, each allocate memory 128MB. the hot1/hot2 task
> continuously access 128 MB memory, while the cold task only accesses
> its memory briefly andthen call madvise(MADV_COLD). However, khugepaged
> still prioritizes scanning the cold task and only scans the hot2 task
> after completing the scan of the cold task.
>
> So if the user has explicitly informed us via MADV_COLD/FREE that this
> memory is cold or will be freed, it is appropriate for khugepaged to
> skip it only, thereby avoiding unnecessary scan and collapse operations
> to reducing CPU wastage.
>
> Here are the performance test results:
> (Throughput bigger is better, other smaller is better)
>
> Testing on x86_64 machine:
>
> | task hot2 | without patch | with patch | delta |
> |---------------------|---------------|---------------|---------|
> | total accesses time | 3.14 sec | 2.93 sec | -6.69% |
> | cycles per access | 4.96 | 2.21 | -55.44% |
> | Throughput | 104.38 M/sec | 111.89 M/sec | +7.19% |
> | dTLB-load-misses | 284814532 | 69597236 | -75.56% |
>
> Testing on qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm:
>
> | task hot2 | without patch | with patch | delta |
> |---------------------|---------------|---------------|---------|
> | total accesses time | 3.35 sec | 2.96 sec | -11.64% |
> | cycles per access | 7.29 | 2.07 | -71.60% |
> | Throughput | 97.67 M/sec | 110.77 M/sec | +13.41% |
> | dTLB-load-misses | 241600871 | 3216108 | -98.67% |
>
> Signed-off-by: Vernon Yang <yanglincheng@kylinos.cn>
> ---
As raised in v1, this is not the way to go. Just because something was
once indicated to be cold does not meant that it will stay like that
forever.
Also,
(1) You are turning this into an operation that will perform VMA
modifications and require the mmap lock in write mode, bad.
(2) You might now create many VMAs, possibly breaking user space, bad.
If user space knows that memory will stay cold, it can use madvise() to
indicate that these regions are not a good fit for THPs.
But are they really not a good fit? What about smaller-order THPs?
Nobody knows, but changing the behavior like you suggest is definetly
bad. :)
--
Cheers
David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-30 19:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-29 5:51 [PATCH v2 0/4] Improve khugepaged scan logic Vernon Yang
2025-12-29 5:51 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] mm: khugepaged: add trace_mm_khugepaged_scan event Vernon Yang
2025-12-29 8:09 ` Barry Song
2025-12-29 5:51 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: khugepaged: just skip when the memory has been collapsed Vernon Yang
2025-12-30 15:46 ` Vernon Yang
2025-12-29 5:51 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] mm: khugepaged: set VM_NOHUGEPAGE flag when MADV_COLD/MADV_FREE Vernon Yang
2025-12-29 8:20 ` Barry Song
2025-12-29 8:26 ` Dev Jain
2025-12-30 15:30 ` Vernon Yang
2025-12-30 19:54 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat) [this message]
2025-12-31 12:13 ` Vernon Yang
2025-12-31 12:19 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-29 5:51 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] mm: khugepaged: set to next mm direct when mm has MMF_DISABLE_THP_COMPLETELY Vernon Yang
2025-12-30 20:03 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-31 2:51 ` Wei Yang
2025-12-31 12:21 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-31 10:57 ` Vernon Yang
2025-12-29 10:21 ` [syzbot ci] Re: Improve khugepaged scan logic syzbot ci
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