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From: "David Rheinsberg" <david@readahead.eu>
To: "Barnabás Pőcze" <pobrn@protonmail.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Jeff Xu" <jeffxu@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com,
	"Daniel Verkamp" <dverkamp@chromium.org>,
	hughd@google.com, jorgelo@chromium.org,
	skhan@linuxfoundation.org, "Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] memfd: `MFD_NOEXEC_SEAL` should not imply `MFD_ALLOW_SEALING`
Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 10:24:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <08450f80-4c33-40db-886f-fee18e531545@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1KDsEBw8g7ymBVpGJZp9NRH1HmCBsQ_jjQ_jKOg90gLUFhW5W6lcG-bI4-5OPkrD24RiG7G83VoZL4SXPQjfldsNFDg7bFnFFgrVZWwSWXQ=@protonmail.com>

Hi

On Thu, May 23, 2024, at 4:25 AM, Barnabás Pőcze wrote:
> 2024. május 23., csütörtök 1:23 keltezéssel, Andrew Morton 
> <akpm@linux-foundation.org> írta:
>> It's a change to a userspace API, yes?  Please let's have a detailed
>> description of why this is OK.  Why it won't affect any existing users.
>
> Yes, it is a uAPI change. To trigger user visible change, a program has to
>
>  - create a memfd
>    - with MFD_NOEXEC_SEAL,
>    - without MFD_ALLOW_SEALING;
>  - try to add seals / check the seals.
>
> This change in essence reverts the kernel's behaviour to that of Linux 
> <6.3, where
> only `MFD_ALLOW_SEALING` enabled sealing. If a program works correctly 
> on those
> kernels, it will likely work correctly after this change.
>
> I have looked through Debian Code Search and GitHub, searching for 
> `MFD_NOEXEC_SEAL`.
> And I could find only a single breakage that this change would case: 
> dbus-broker
> has its own memfd_create() wrapper that is aware of this implicit 
> `MFD_ALLOW_SEALING`
> behaviour[0], and tries to work around it. This workaround will break. 
> Luckily,
> however, as far as I could tell this only affects the test suite of 
> dbus-broker,
> not its normal operations, so I believe it should be fine. I have 
> prepared a PR
> with a fix[1].

We asked for exactly this fix before, so I very much support this. Our test-suite in `dbus-broker` merely verifies what the current kernel behavior is (just like the kernel selftests). I am certainly ok if the kernel breaks it. I will gladly adapt the test-suite.

Previous discussion was in:

    [PATCH] memfd: support MFD_NOEXEC alongside MFD_EXEC
    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20230714114753.170814-1-david@readahead.eu/

Note that this fix is particularly important in combination with `vm.memfd_noexec=2`, since this breaks existing user-space by enabling sealing on all memfds unconditionally. I also encourage backporting to stable kernels.

Reviewed-by: David Rheinsberg <david@readahead.eu>

Thanks
David


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-23  8:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-13 19:15 Barnabás Pőcze
2024-05-16  6:11 ` Jeff Xu
2024-05-22 23:23   ` Andrew Morton
2024-05-23  2:25     ` Barnabás Pőcze
2024-05-23  2:40       ` Jeff Xu
2024-05-23  8:24       ` David Rheinsberg [this message]
2024-05-23 16:20         ` Jeff Xu
2024-05-23 16:55           ` Jeff Xu
2024-05-24 14:28             ` David Rheinsberg
2024-05-28 17:13               ` Jeff Xu
2024-06-07  8:38                 ` David Rheinsberg
2024-06-07 15:58                   ` Jeff Xu
2024-05-24 16:12           ` Aleksa Sarai
2024-05-28 17:56             ` Jeff Xu
2024-06-02  9:45               ` Aleksa Sarai
2024-05-23  2:32     ` Jeff Xu
2024-05-23 19:45       ` Andrew Morton
2024-05-23 20:44         ` Jeff Xu
2024-05-23 20:50           ` Barnabás Pőcze

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