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From: Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>, linux-mm@kvack.org
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Alexandre Torgue <alexandre.torgue@foss.st.com>,
	Andreas Larsson <andreas@gaisler.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
	Damien Le Moal <dlemoal@kernel.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Greg Ungerer <gerg@linux-m68k.org>, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
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	Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
	Vladimir Murzin <vladimir.murzin@arm.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
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	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] [RFC] mm: Remove MAP_UNINITIALIZED support
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 11:18:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <079aea54-a3ab-413e-aa4f-0dce06c8e142@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240925210615.2572360-6-arnd@kernel.org>

On 9/25/24 23:06, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
>
> MAP_UNINITIALIZED was added back in 2009 for NOMMU kernels, specifically
> for blackfin, which is long gone. MAP_HUGE_SHIFT/MAP_HUGE_MASK were
> added in 2012 for architectures supporting hugepages, which at the time
> did not overlap with the ones supporting NOMMU.
>
> Adding the macro under an #ifdef was obviously a mistake, which
> Christoph Hellwig tried to address by making it unconditionally defined
> to 0x4000000 as part of the series to support RISC-V NOMMU kernels. At
> this point linux/mman.h contained two conflicting definitions for bit 26,
> though the two are still mutually exclusive at runtime in all supported
> configurations.
>
> According to the commit 854e9ed09ded ("mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE)")
> description, it was previously used internally by facebook, which
> would have resulted in MAP_HUGE_1MB turning into MAP_HUGE_2MB
> with MAP_UNINITIALIZED enabled, and every other page size implying
> MAP_UNINITIALIZED. I assume there are no remaining out of tree users
> on MMU-enabled kernels today.
>
> I do not see any sensible way to redefine the macros for the ABI in
> a way avoids breaking something. The only ideas so far are:
>
>   - do nothing, try to document the bug, hope for the best
>
>   - remove the kernel implementation and redefine MAP_UNINITIALIZED to
>     zero in the header to silently turn it off for everyone. There are
>     few NOMMU users left, and the ones that do use NOMMU usually turn
>     off MMAP_ALLOW_UNINITIALIZED, as it still has the potential to cause
>     bugs and even security issues on systems with a memory protection
>     unit.
>
>   - remove both the implementation and the macro to force a build
>     failure for anyone trying to use the feature. This way we can
>     see who complains and whether we need to put it back in some
>     form or change the userspace sources to no longer pass the flag.
>
> Implement the third option here for the sake of discussion.

Usually I'd vote for option #2, which means remove the kernel implementation and
redefine MAP_UNINITIALIZED to zero in the header.
A few years back this turned out to be the "most compatible" solution.

But today, and specifically regarding MAP_UNINITIALIZED, I think we should get rid of it now.
This flag is useless and build issues will force people to drop it.

Helge


      parent reply	other threads:[~2024-09-26  9:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-25 21:06 [PATCH 0/5] asm-generic: clean up asm/mman.h Arnd Bergmann
2024-09-25 21:06 ` [PATCH 1/5] asm-generic: cosmetic updates to uapi/asm/mman.h Arnd Bergmann
2024-09-26  9:21   ` Helge Deller
2024-09-26  9:41     ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-10-09 14:16   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-09-25 21:06 ` [PATCH 2/5] asm-generic: move MAP_* flags from mman-common.h to mman.h Arnd Bergmann
2024-10-09 14:25   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-09-25 21:06 ` [PATCH 3/5] asm-generic: use asm-generic/mman-common.h on mips and xtensa Arnd Bergmann
2024-10-05 17:13   ` Richard Henderson
2024-09-25 21:06 ` [PATCH 4/5] asm-generic: use asm-generic/mman-common.h on parisc and alpha Arnd Bergmann
2024-10-05 17:15   ` Richard Henderson
2024-10-09 14:31   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-09-25 21:06 ` [PATCH 5/5] [RFC] mm: Remove MAP_UNINITIALIZED support Arnd Bergmann
2024-09-26  8:46   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-09-26 13:54     ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-10-09 14:32       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-09-26  9:18   ` Helge Deller [this message]

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