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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Stat-Signature: yb17syf631rumwk6zpe6eb4xdxkw4p3t X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0EDE818000A X-Rspam-User: X-Rspamd-Server: rspam04 X-HE-Tag: 1771262225-742643 X-HE-Meta: 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 kls18AH3 SDE5S8l4JNqiAt/o5h1OQPO9/0mTbcbcl0nukFTNTefOcHe3pUmhEOtWG7lShB4JpsWB1oug5XkUQa1xxwq9XtoPfF/Urldy/Zh1lLsOs8VXDviDyuEkgypGD/VMVXmPWuv02udvPI2ROSsdUl3VSfIRmE7eMqb2JpFNQewyb5bEmEibGzqyHoL+RysZm+nzHZ99k6zeOmktSYJs4Ceg9MHs+4mxAKAc6wTx/6iPXB1XPNSd224kJ8PrCRALC/sn4CM2J X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 2/16/26 18:10, Michal Hocko wrote: > On Mon 16-02-26 17:56:12, David Hildenbrand wrote: >> On 2/16/26 17:42, Michal Hocko wrote: >>> >>> You are comparing content of all anon pages, aren't you? Depending on >>> the content this can add a lot of overhead. >>> >>> >>> MADV_GET_ZEROPAGE would make more sense to me. But a more fundamental >>> question is whether this metric is really what you want long term. >>> Kernel can do all sorts of optimizations behind userspace back - e.g. >>> map shared zero page - so just learning that a process has a lot of >>> pages filled up with zeroes doesn't tell you all that much. Or does it? >> >> If a sysadmin wants to see where THP hurt (zero-filled pages), surely >> MADV_GET_ZEROPAGE is the wrong (ugly) interface. > > The question is whether sysadmin should really ask questions like that. > Without a deeper understanding of the workload the answer could be > misleading at best, no matter what interface is available. Given the requests for per-process control of THPs I assume some sysadmins (at hyperscalers :) ) really care about the relevant processes and even the relevant memory areas (e.g., jmalloc area). > > If you know and understand the workload you already know that THP is not > a good fit and you do not need to ask about that. If you want to > understand whether your particular workload has a big internal > fragmentation due to THPs then MADV_GET_ZEROPAGE sounds like a > reasonable fit to me. You could also just scan the pages yourself for 0-content, or what's the benefit of letting the kernel do that? > > From a sysadmin POV you care about the overall memory consuption, right? I'm not so sure about that. -- Cheers, David