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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Bert Karwatzki <spasswolf@web.de>
Cc: "Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 14/21] mm/mmap: Avoid zeroing vma tree in mmap_region()
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 12:16:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <04f2a791-6b44-4743-b074-bda537cbc8e4@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3b4dccf8dfbfb5a9d7c07a745c48a96164fbf19a.camel@web.de>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 12:28:51PM +0200, Bert Karwatzki wrote:
> Am Montag, dem 14.10.2024 um 10:46 +0100 schrieb Lorenzo Stoakes:
> > On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 12:35:59AM +0200, Bert Karwatzki wrote:
> > > I created a program which can trigger the bug on newer kernel (after the
> > > "Avoid zeroing vma tree in mmap_region()" patch and before the fix).
> > > My original goal was to trigger the bug on older kernels,
> > > but that does not work, yet.
> > >
> > > Bert Karwatzki
> >
> > Thanks, that's great!
> >
> > For older kernels the problem should still be present, the fundamental
> > thing that changed from the point of view of this bug is that merge won't
> > contribute to the number of VMAs being overwritten at once.
> >
> > To trigger prior to commit f8d112a4e657 ("mm/mmap: avoid zeroing vma tree
> > in mmap_region()") you would need to create a situation where the _clear_
> > triggers the bug, i.e. you must consistute all the VMAs that are being
> > overwritten by the store from existing VMAs you are overwriting with a
> > MAP_FIXED.
> >
> > So some tweaks should get you there...
> > >
>
> I don't think triggering the bug on a clear works, because a write of a %NULL
> that will cause a node to end with a %NULL becomes a spanning write into the
> next node:
>
> /*
>  * mas_is_span_wr() - Check if the write needs to be treated as a write that
>  * spans the node.
>  * @mas: The maple state
>  * @piv: The pivot value being written
>  * @type: The maple node type
>  * @entry: The data to write
>  *
>  * Spanning writes are writes that start in one node and end in another OR if
>  * the write of a %NULL will cause the node to end with a %NULL.
>  *
>  * Return: True if this is a spanning write, false otherwise.
>  */
> static bool mas_is_span_wr(struct ma_wr_state *wr_mas)
> {
>
>
> I think the could would trigger in this situation
>
>               Node_0
> 	     /
>             /
> 	 Node_1
>          /    \
>         /      \
>      Node_2    Node_3
>
> but only if Node_3 contained only two ranges, one empty range and one normal
> range, and if the mmap into empty range of Node_3 would merge with the last
> range of Node_2 and the last range of Node_3. But I think the rebalancing of the
> tree will make it very hard if not impossible to create such a node.
>
>
> Bert Karwatzki

Hm well that would explain why we couldn't hit it so easy in the past then,
and is a good thing... :)

Still the bug is still a bug even if hard to hit from mm code and should
get backported (obviously you're suggesting otherwise, just to emphasise :)


  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-16 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-13 22:35 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-14  9:46 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 10:28   ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-16 11:16     ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2024-10-16 14:13     ` Liam R. Howlett
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-10-04  9:35 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-04  9:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-04 14:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-04 14:26   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-04 14:32     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-04 14:58       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-04 22:41 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-05  0:56   ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-05  6:21     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-05  8:57       ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-05 11:11         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-04  8:51 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-04  8:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-03 17:07 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-03 17:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-03 19:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-04  8:36 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-03 13:09 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-03 13:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-03 10:51 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-03 11:17 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-03 10:41 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-03 10:46 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-03  8:59 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-03  9:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-03  9:27 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02 22:58 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-03  7:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02 22:57 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-03  8:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02 21:58 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-02 21:48 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-02 21:41 Bert Karwatzki
     [not found] <20241002105131.4545-1-spasswolf@web.de>
2024-10-02 11:19 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-01  2:34 Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-01  8:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-01  8:38   ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-01  8:49     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-01  8:55       ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-01  8:59         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-01  9:10           ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-01  9:20             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-01  9:49               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-01  9:57                 ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-01 10:02                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-01 10:22                     ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-01 10:33                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-01 10:42                         ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-01 11:23                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-01 11:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-01 16:43   ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-01 18:01     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02  8:39       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02  8:48         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02 12:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02 13:23   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02 16:13     ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-02 17:19       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02 18:28         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02 18:54           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02 20:06           ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-02 20:22             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02 20:39               ` Bert Karwatzki
2024-10-02 20:44                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-02 21:13                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-08-30  4:00 [PATCH v8 00/21] Avoid MAP_FIXED gap exposure Liam R. Howlett
2024-08-30  4:00 ` [PATCH v8 14/21] mm/mmap: Avoid zeroing vma tree in mmap_region() Liam R. Howlett

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