From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Tyler Sanderson <tysand@google.com>,
Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Wang, Wei W" <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
namit@vmware.com
Subject: Re: Balloon pressuring page cache
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 12:00:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <04d8a2aa-c08f-f411-2fce-1dac5ba72a83@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuQAmoQK5wZ09sZB6c7nzaYSrO6h6uYT6ULE3UpwGQ=bCo9uw@mail.gmail.com>
>>> It's not about dangers as such. It's just that when linux hits OOM
>>> all kind of error paths are being hit, latent bugs start triggering,
>>> latency goes up drastically.
>> Doesn't this suggest that the shrinker is preferable to the OOM
>> notifier in the case that we're actually OOMing (with DEFLATE_ON_OOM)?
>
> I think it all depends on the use case. For the use case you
> describe going to the shrinker might be preferable as you are
> wanting to exert just a light bit of pressure to start some page
> cache reclaim. However if you are wanting to make the deflation a
> last resort sort of thing then I would think the OOM would make more
> sense.
Long story short: What you actually want is free page reporting combined
with
a) avoiding the guest page cache (emulated nvdimms, virtio-pmem). Not
always possible and has some issues in non-trusted environments (IOW,
cloud).
b) a way to tame the page cache (e.g., drop it completely similar to
drop_caches, or a way to drop a specific fraction, things not touch for
the last $SECONDS) etc.
There are some nice discussions in response to Alexander's v16.1 posting.
--
Thanks,
David / dhildenb
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2020-01-30 15:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-30 15:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-30 15:23 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-30 15:31 ` Wang, Wei W
2020-01-30 19:59 ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-03 13:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-03 16:18 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-03 16:34 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-03 17:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-03 20:32 ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-03 21:22 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-03 23:16 ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-04 0:10 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-04 5:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-04 8:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 18:52 ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-04 18:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-04 19:17 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 23:58 ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-05 0:15 ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-05 6:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 19:01 ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-05 19:22 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-05 21:44 ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-06 11:00 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2020-02-03 22:50 ` Nadav Amit
2020-02-04 8:35 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 8:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-04 8:48 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 14:30 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 16:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-04 16:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 20:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 8:31 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 6:52 ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05 7:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 8:50 ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05 6:49 ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05 8:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 8:54 ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05 8:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 9:00 ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05 9:05 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 9:19 ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05 9:22 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 9:35 ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05 9:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 9:49 ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05 9:58 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 10:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 10:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 9:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 18:43 ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-06 9:30 ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05 7:35 ` Nadav Amit
2020-02-05 8:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 10:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 10:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-30 22:46 ` Tyler Sanderson
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