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From: Laurent Dufour <ldufour@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Vinayak Menon <vinmenon@codeaurora.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	surenb@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/userfaultfd: fix memory corruption due to writeprotect
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:47:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0201238b-e716-2a3c-e9ea-d5294ff77525@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bfb1cbe6-a705-469d-c95a-776624817e33@codeaurora.org>

Le 12/01/2021 à 12:43, Vinayak Menon a écrit :
> On 1/5/2021 9:07 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 08:16:11PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>
>>> So I think the basic rule is that "if you hold mmap_sem for writing,
>>> you're always safe". And that really should be considered the
>>> "default" locking.
>>>
>>> ANY time you make a modification to the VM layer, you should basically
>>> always treat it as a write operation, and get the mmap_sem for
>>> writing.
>>>
>>> Yeah, yeah, that's a bit simplified, and it ignores various special
>>> cases (and the hardware page table walkers that obviously take no
>>> locks at all), but if you hold the mmap_sem for writing you won't
>>> really race with anything else - not page faults, and not other
>>> "modify this VM".
>>> To a first approximation, everybody that changes the VM should take
>>> the mmap_sem for writing, and the readers should just be just about
>>> page fault handling (and I count GUP as "page fault handling" too -
>>> it's kind of the same "look up page" rather than "modify vm" kind of
>>> operation).
>>>
>>> And there are just a _lot_ more page faults than there are things that
>>> modify the page tables and the vma's.
>>>
>>> So having that mental model of "lookup of pages in a VM take mmap_semn
>>> for reading, any modification of the VM uses it for writing" makes
>>> sense both from a performance angle and a logical standpoint. It's the
>>> correct model.
>>> And it's worth noting that COW is still "lookup of pages", even though
>>> it might modify the page tables in the process. The same way lookup
>>> can modify the page tables to mark things accessed or dirty.
>>>
>>> So COW is still a lookup operation, in ways that "change the
>>> writabiility of this range" very much is not. COW is "lookup for
>>> write", and the magic we do to copy to make that write valid is still
>>> all about the lookup of the page.
>> (your other email clarified this point; the COW needs to copy while
>> holding the PTL and we need TLBI under PTL if we're to change this)
>>
>>> Which brings up another mental mistake I saw earlier in this thread:
>>> you should not think "mmap_sem is for vma, and the page table lock is
>>> for the page table changes".
>>>
>>> mmap_sem is the primary lock for any modifications to the VM layout,
>>> whether it be in the vma's or in the page tables.
>>>
>>> Now, the page table lock does exist _in_addition_to_ the mmap_sem, but
>>> it is partly because
>>>
>>>   (a) we have things that historically walked the page tables _without_
>>> walking the vma's (notably the virtual memory scanning)
>>>
>>>   (b) we do allow concurrent page faults, so we then need a lower-level
>>> lock to serialize the parallelism we _do_ have.
>> And I'm thinking the speculative page fault series steps right into all
>> this, it fundamentally avoids mmap_sem and entirely relies on the PTL.
>>
>> Which opens it up to exactly these races explored here.
>>
>> The range lock approach does not suffer this, but I'm still worried
>> about the actual performance of that thing.
> 
> 
> Some thoughts on why there may not be an issue with speculative page fault.
> Adding Laurent as well.
> 
> Possibility of race against other PTE modifiers
> 
> 1) Fork - We have seen a case of SPF racing with fork marking PTEs RO and that
> is described and fixed here https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/patch/1062672/
> 2) mprotect - change_protection in mprotect which does the deferred flush is
> marked under vm_write_begin/vm_write_end, thus SPF bails out on faults on those 
> VMAs.
> 3) userfaultfd - mwriteprotect_range is not protected unlike in (2) above.
> But SPF does not take UFFD faults.
> 4) hugetlb - hugetlb_change_protection - called from mprotect and covered by
> (2) above.
> 5) Concurrent faults - SPF does not handle all faults. Only anon page faults.
> Of which do_anonymous_page and do_swap_page are NONE/NON-PRESENT->PRESENT
> transitions without tlb flush. And I hope do_wp_page with RO->RW is fine as well.
> I could not see a case where speculative path cannot see a PTE update done via
> a fault on another CPU.
> 

Thanks Vinayak,

You explained it fine. Indeed SPF is handling deferred TLB invalidation by 
marking the VMA through vm_write_begin/end(), as for the fork case you 
mentioned. Once the PTL is held, and the VMA's seqcount is checked, the PTE 
values read are valid.

Cheers,
Laurent.




  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-12 15:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-19  4:30 Nadav Amit
2020-12-19 19:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]   ` <EDC00345-B46E-4396-8379-98E943723809@gmail.com>
2020-12-19 22:06     ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-20  2:20       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-21  4:36         ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21  5:12           ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21  5:25             ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21  5:39               ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21  7:29                 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 20:34       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-22 20:58         ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 21:34           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-20  2:01     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-20  2:49       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-20  5:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-21 18:03           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-21 18:22             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-20  6:05     ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-20  8:06       ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-20  9:54         ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21  3:33           ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21  4:44             ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 17:27         ` Peter Xu
2020-12-21 18:31           ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 19:16             ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 19:55               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 20:21                 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 20:25                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 20:23                 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 20:26                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 21:24                     ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 21:49                       ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 22:30                         ` Peter Xu
2020-12-21 22:55                           ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-21 23:30                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 23:46                               ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 19:44                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 20:19                               ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 21:17                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-21 23:12                           ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 23:33                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-22  0:00                               ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22  0:11                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-22  0:24                                   ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-21 23:22                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-22  3:19                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-22  4:16                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-22 20:19                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-05 15:37                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05 18:03                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-12 16:20                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-12 11:43                                   ` Vinayak Menon
2021-01-12 15:47                                     ` Laurent Dufour [this message]
2021-01-12 16:57                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-12 19:02                                         ` Laurent Dufour
2021-01-12 19:15                                           ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-12 19:56                                             ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-12 20:38                                               ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-12 20:49                                                 ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-12 21:43                                                 ` Will Deacon
2021-01-12 22:29                                                   ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-12 22:46                                                     ` Will Deacon
2021-01-13  0:31                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-17  4:41                                                   ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-17  7:32                                                     ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-17  9:16                                                       ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-17 10:13                                                         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-17 19:25                                                           ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-18  2:49                                                             ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22  9:38                               ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 19:31                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 20:15                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-22 20:26                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 21:14                                 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 22:02                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 23:39                                     ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 23:50                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-23  0:01                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-23  0:23                                           ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23  2:17                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23  9:44                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-23 10:06                                             ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 16:24                                               ` Peter Xu
2020-12-23 18:51                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 18:55                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 19:12                                                 ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 19:32                                                   ` Peter Xu
2020-12-23  0:20                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-23  2:56                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23  3:36                                         ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 15:52                                           ` Peter Xu
2020-12-23 21:07                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 21:39                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 22:29                                             ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-23 23:04                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24  1:21                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-24  2:00                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24  3:09                                                   ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-24  3:30                                                     ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-24  3:34                                                     ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-24  4:01                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24  5:18                                                         ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-24 18:49                                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24 19:16                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-24  4:37                                                       ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-24  3:31                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 23:39                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-24  1:01                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-22 21:14                                 ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 12:40                       ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-22 18:30                         ` Yu Zhao
2020-12-22 19:20                           ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-23 16:23                             ` Will Deacon
2020-12-23 19:04                               ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-23 22:05                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-23 22:45                           ` Nadav Amit
2020-12-23 23:55                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-12-21 21:55                   ` Peter Xu
2020-12-21 23:13                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-21 19:53             ` Peter Xu

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